Question for the Supercharged Peeps
Thread Starter
Pro
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 597
Likes: 24
Question for the Supercharged Peeps
I have a vortech V2 on my 93. As you can see in the pic it is not intercooled. The piping comes straight off the side of the charger and goes into the air intake. Looking at it I don't even know if there is room for piping to run an intercooler. The AC drier is right below the air intake piping so it can't turn down. Does anyone with a supercharged C4 have an intercooler setup or seen one for comparison? Would like to intercool if possible. Thanks. 
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,270
Likes: 118
From: N. Babylon NY
I am new to this also-But I am not going to run an inter-cooler. I am going to run mine on e85. Other's have eliminated the I/C with Meth/Water injection.
If you want an I/C I have one with all the piping/hoses. PM me if interested.
Steve
If you want an I/C I have one with all the piping/hoses. PM me if interested.
Steve
Racer
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 365
Likes: 27
From: Shelby Township Michigan
Heres a photo of my 93. Unfortunately the car is apart right now for upgrades, so this is the only photo I have at the moment.
OP - unless your running 8 LBS of boost or above I wouldn't bother with an intercooler. I would add meth injection to your set up if you want some added safety. Some here are running meth without an intercooler. I plan on running both in the future.
My intercooler is from Procharger. I originally purchased a complete Procharger kit and have replaced or upgraded most of it with help from Blowerworks. I tried getting the AC to fit when I first installed my kit but decided to delete it. I would have had to charge it many times over by now.
Using my photo is not a representation of an off the shelf kit. I've used different vendors and replaced most of the stock parts. Some fabrication has been necessary to make it clean, function, reliable and fast
.
I'm currently rerouting the intake air to the SC and some of the coolant hoses. The one above the SC inlet will be ran differently. I've found out that if you change one thing it usually affects at least one other thing. So, make a plan if you really want to change things around.
Good luck on whatever you choose.
OP - unless your running 8 LBS of boost or above I wouldn't bother with an intercooler. I would add meth injection to your set up if you want some added safety. Some here are running meth without an intercooler. I plan on running both in the future.
My intercooler is from Procharger. I originally purchased a complete Procharger kit and have replaced or upgraded most of it with help from Blowerworks. I tried getting the AC to fit when I first installed my kit but decided to delete it. I would have had to charge it many times over by now.
Using my photo is not a representation of an off the shelf kit. I've used different vendors and replaced most of the stock parts. Some fabrication has been necessary to make it clean, function, reliable and fast
. I'm currently rerouting the intake air to the SC and some of the coolant hoses. The one above the SC inlet will be ran differently. I've found out that if you change one thing it usually affects at least one other thing. So, make a plan if you really want to change things around.
Good luck on whatever you choose.
Last edited by armysnipe; Mar 13, 2017 at 10:48 PM. Reason: add pertinent information
Thread Starter
Pro
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 597
Likes: 24
Is the kit made specifically for the C4? I was looking at intercooling and meth injection. My brother has both. But his build is much more involved than mine. C5Z with 705rwhp. Does the meth cool the charge enough to eliminate the intercooling?
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,270
Likes: 118
From: N. Babylon NY
Depending on how much boost you make-The Meth may be all you need. From what I have seen at the racetrack-People making over 20lbs of boost use both I/C with Meth. I have also seen at the racetrack someone with a C5 making over 20 lbs of boost with e85, meth, and I/C. To be clear I am new to this too. As I have posted-I will be running mine of e85 and no I/C and no meth.
Forum member Dizwiz is running meth with no I/C on gasoline with great results.
If you are interested in mine I would like to get $200 plus shipping.
Steve
Thread Starter
Pro
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 597
Likes: 24
Heres a photo of my 93. Unfortunately the car is apart right now for upgrades, so this is the only photo I have at the moment.
OP - unless your running 8 LBS of boost or above I wouldn't bother with an intercooler. I would add meth injection to your set up if you want some added safety. Some here are running meth without an intercooler. I plan on running both in the future.
My intercooler is from Procharger. I originally purchased a complete Procharger kit and have replaced or upgraded most of it with help from Blowerworks. I tried getting the AC to fit when I first installed my kit but decided to delete it. I would have had to charge it many times over by now.
Using my photo is not a representation of an off the shelf kit. I've used different vendors and replaced most of the stock parts. Some fabrication has been necessary to make it clean, function, reliable and fast.
I'm currently rerouting the intake air to the SC and some of the coolant hoses. The one above the SC inlet will be ran differently. I've found out that if you change one thing it usually affects at least one other thing. So, make a plan if you really want to change things around.
Good luck on whatever you choose.
OP - unless your running 8 LBS of boost or above I wouldn't bother with an intercooler. I would add meth injection to your set up if you want some added safety. Some here are running meth without an intercooler. I plan on running both in the future.
My intercooler is from Procharger. I originally purchased a complete Procharger kit and have replaced or upgraded most of it with help from Blowerworks. I tried getting the AC to fit when I first installed my kit but decided to delete it. I would have had to charge it many times over by now.
Using my photo is not a representation of an off the shelf kit. I've used different vendors and replaced most of the stock parts. Some fabrication has been necessary to make it clean, function, reliable and fast
. I'm currently rerouting the intake air to the SC and some of the coolant hoses. The one above the SC inlet will be ran differently. I've found out that if you change one thing it usually affects at least one other thing. So, make a plan if you really want to change things around.
Good luck on whatever you choose.
Thanks for the pic. Exactly what I was looking for. I don't want to lose my AC it's too damn hot in Texas for that lol. Was it that much a pain in **** trying to get it to fit with AC?
Thread Starter
Pro
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 597
Likes: 24
Yes the kit I have is what Armysnipe posted. It is new-Unused with all piping and hoses.
Depending on how much boost you make-The Meth may be all you need. From what I have seen at the racetrack-People making over 20lbs of boost use both I/C with Meth. I have also seen at the racetrack someone with a C5 making over 20 lbs of boost with e85, meth, and I/C. To be clear I am new to this too. As I have posted-I will be running mine of e85 and no I/C and no meth.
Forum member Dizwiz is running meth with no I/C on gasoline with great results.
If you are interested in mine I would like to get $200 plus shipping.
Steve
Depending on how much boost you make-The Meth may be all you need. From what I have seen at the racetrack-People making over 20lbs of boost use both I/C with Meth. I have also seen at the racetrack someone with a C5 making over 20 lbs of boost with e85, meth, and I/C. To be clear I am new to this too. As I have posted-I will be running mine of e85 and no I/C and no meth.
Forum member Dizwiz is running meth with no I/C on gasoline with great results.
If you are interested in mine I would like to get $200 plus shipping.
Steve
Ok I'll let you know. I have to install a boost gauge to see what I'm running now and decide if I want to go higher. Hoping to do that this weekend. Surely don't want to mess with my AC like he did it's too dang hot in Texas lol.
Thanks.
Corvette Stories
The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer
Brett Foote
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems
Pouria Savadkouei
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years
Joe Kucinski
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972
Joe Kucinski
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!
Michael S. Palmer
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!
Joe Kucinski
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter
Joe Kucinski
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time
Verdad Gallardo
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,270
Likes: 118
From: N. Babylon NY
Heres a photo of my 93. Unfortunately the car is apart right now for upgrades, so this is the only photo I have at the moment.
OP - unless your running 8 LBS of boost or above I wouldn't bother with an intercooler. I would add meth injection to your set up if you want some added safety. Some here are running meth without an intercooler. I plan on running both in the future.
My intercooler is from Procharger. I originally purchased a complete Procharger kit and have replaced or upgraded most of it with help from Blowerworks. I tried getting the AC to fit when I first installed my kit but decided to delete it. I would have had to charge it many times over by now.
Using my photo is not a representation of an off the shelf kit. I've used different vendors and replaced most of the stock parts. Some fabrication has been necessary to make it clean, function, reliable and fast.
I'm currently rerouting the intake air to the SC and some of the coolant hoses. The one above the SC inlet will be ran differently. I've found out that if you change one thing it usually affects at least one other thing. So, make a plan if you really want to change things around.
Good luck on whatever you choose.
OP - unless your running 8 LBS of boost or above I wouldn't bother with an intercooler. I would add meth injection to your set up if you want some added safety. Some here are running meth without an intercooler. I plan on running both in the future.
My intercooler is from Procharger. I originally purchased a complete Procharger kit and have replaced or upgraded most of it with help from Blowerworks. I tried getting the AC to fit when I first installed my kit but decided to delete it. I would have had to charge it many times over by now.
Using my photo is not a representation of an off the shelf kit. I've used different vendors and replaced most of the stock parts. Some fabrication has been necessary to make it clean, function, reliable and fast
. I'm currently rerouting the intake air to the SC and some of the coolant hoses. The one above the SC inlet will be ran differently. I've found out that if you change one thing it usually affects at least one other thing. So, make a plan if you really want to change things around.
Good luck on whatever you choose.
Racer
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 365
Likes: 27
From: Shelby Township Michigan
I ditched the AC once I went above the base design of Prochargers kit. It was in my way, LOL!. Anytime I had to work on the supercharging system I had to remove the AC components.
AC would definitely be a priority in TX.
As mentioned your boost level will dictate your decisions and change the overall design.
I'm up to 13LBS and will probably leave it there. I'm still running the stock crank with all forged components minus the crankshaft. My goal is fast and reliable. One regret is not getting a forged crank.
Race Director
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 14,676
Likes: 751
From: NEwhere Ohio
im running up to 13 psi boost at 6000-6400 rpm.
i have the same air intake piece you have but i have a meth bung (from blowerworks), welded into it.
i store 4 gallons meth/water in the rear of the
car so i am not worried about running out .
i also have my compression dropped down to 9.7:1 static
thru use of
bigger cc afr heads.
stock bottom end entirely and it made 520 rwhp at 6000 rpm - which is all the higher i could spin on the dyno before my appt was over.
i have the same air intake piece you have but i have a meth bung (from blowerworks), welded into it.
i store 4 gallons meth/water in the rear of the
car so i am not worried about running out .
i also have my compression dropped down to 9.7:1 static
thru use of
bigger cc afr heads.
stock bottom end entirely and it made 520 rwhp at 6000 rpm - which is all the higher i could spin on the dyno before my appt was over.
Drifting
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,267
Likes: 27
From: Texas
Yes the kit I have is what Armysnipe posted. It is new-Unused with all piping and hoses.
Depending on how much boost you make-The Meth may be all you need. From what I have seen at the racetrack-People making over 20lbs of boost use both I/C with Meth. I have also seen at the racetrack someone with a C5 making over 20 lbs of boost with e85, meth, and I/C. To be clear I am new to this too. As I have posted-I will be running mine of e85 and no I/C and no meth.
Forum member Dizwiz is running meth with no I/C on gasoline with great results.
If you are interested in mine I would like to get $200 plus shipping.
Steve
Depending on how much boost you make-The Meth may be all you need. From what I have seen at the racetrack-People making over 20lbs of boost use both I/C with Meth. I have also seen at the racetrack someone with a C5 making over 20 lbs of boost with e85, meth, and I/C. To be clear I am new to this too. As I have posted-I will be running mine of e85 and no I/C and no meth.
Forum member Dizwiz is running meth with no I/C on gasoline with great results.
If you are interested in mine I would like to get $200 plus shipping.
Steve
I run 93+meth with a big A2A IC all custom.
Going to run e85 on top of the other two coolers.
I used deka 80s for 700rwhp. They are good for 850ish @ 58psi fuel pressure.
Last edited by 383tpimachine; Mar 16, 2017 at 10:21 AM.
Thread Starter
Pro
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 597
Likes: 24
That is a very bad idea. E85 only going to absorb detonation but with iat in the 180+ range it will not be enough. recipe for disaster.
I run 93+meth with a big A2A IC all custom.
Going to run e85 on top of the other two coolers.
I used deka 80s for 700rwhp. They are good for 850ish @ 58psi fuel pressure.
I run 93+meth with a big A2A IC all custom.
Going to run e85 on top of the other two coolers.
I used deka 80s for 700rwhp. They are good for 850ish @ 58psi fuel pressure.
Nice setup.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,270
Likes: 118
From: N. Babylon NY
[QUOTE=383tpimachine;1594311580]That is a very bad idea. E85 only going to absorb detonation but with iat in the 180+ range it will not be enough. recipe for disaster.
I run 93+meth with a big A2A IC all custom.
Going to run e85 on top of the other two coolers.
I used deka 80s for 700rwhp. They are good for 850ish @ 58psi fuel pressure.
/QUOTE]
I follow your build thread-
Do you think it's a problem with only 8Lbs of boost? As I stated in this thread-I see people at the track run e85 and no I/C. For now I am only looking to make 100-150 extra HP.
Thanks for your input.
Steve
I run 93+meth with a big A2A IC all custom.
Going to run e85 on top of the other two coolers.
I used deka 80s for 700rwhp. They are good for 850ish @ 58psi fuel pressure.
/QUOTE]I follow your build thread-
Do you think it's a problem with only 8Lbs of boost? As I stated in this thread-I see people at the track run e85 and no I/C. For now I am only looking to make 100-150 extra HP.
Thanks for your input.
Steve
Racer
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 252
Likes: 30
From: San Diego Ca
I don't think you will have a problem. I run 8 lbs boost with 60 lb injectors and 11:1 compression (block decked for .038" quench) with all stock bottom end. No detonation running Calif 91 octane and 50/50 water meth injection. It makes 470 RWHP and 480 RWTQ with a very mild cam.
Jim
Jim
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,277
Likes: 32
From: Mission Viejo California
I'd do an archive search on my user name and read all my posts over the past 11 years in the c4 forum. It'll take you a while but it'll save you a ton of time and grief. Most of the guys who perfected the vortech kits on pump gas are gone except for a small handful. It'll help you understand what is going on with your kit and your car. But yes, non intercooled, alky injection is the way. I run 91 and 14 psi.
Race Director
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 14,676
Likes: 751
From: NEwhere Ohio
this is great. i like the hogan intake ($$) and also the custom IC.
are you using that custom IC in conjunction with a stock radiator or did you need to use an aftermaket radiator (or modify the position) of your stock radiator?
does this all fit under the stock radiator shrouding or did you remove that?
how are your coolant temps with that setup?
ive heard some say its bad to block the radiator with an intercooler...?
is that myth or urban legend ?
are you using that custom IC in conjunction with a stock radiator or did you need to use an aftermaket radiator (or modify the position) of your stock radiator?
does this all fit under the stock radiator shrouding or did you remove that?
how are your coolant temps with that setup?
ive heard some say its bad to block the radiator with an intercooler...?
is that myth or urban legend ?
That is a very bad idea. E85 only going to absorb detonation but with iat in the 180+ range it will not be enough. recipe for disaster.
I run 93+meth with a big A2A IC all custom.
Going to run e85 on top of the other two coolers.
I used deka 80s for 700rwhp. They are good for 850ish @ 58psi fuel pressure.
I run 93+meth with a big A2A IC all custom.
Going to run e85 on top of the other two coolers.
I used deka 80s for 700rwhp. They are good for 850ish @ 58psi fuel pressure.