Larger tires = less traction ?
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Re: Larger tires = less traction ? (marthpodi)
In rain because you have less weight per inch of contact area, easier to "float" on the water.
Under normal conditions they should provide better traction. Thats the reason drag race tires are so wide ;)
Matt
Under normal conditions they should provide better traction. Thats the reason drag race tires are so wide ;)
Matt
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Re: Larger tires = less traction ? (VetteRacer282)
would you have less weight per square foot of surface area in dry conditions too? Why better traction in one and worse in another?
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Re: Larger tires = less traction ? (atotalnincompoop)
You also have farther to channel the water from the center of the tire and more can get caught under the tire faster than it can be channeled out.
If you observe less traction on a dry road, you might be over inflated and only running on the center of the tire.
If you observe less traction on a dry road, you might be over inflated and only running on the center of the tire.
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Re: Larger tires = less traction ? (marthpodi)
It's a simple matter of physics.... Water is composed of two elements... 1 part oxygen and two parts hydrogen...
when tires roll over water, the two elements seperate under the weight... you know what oxygen produces when released in water.. .it produces bubbles.... so that means the tires are now riding on bubbles... which are like millions and millions of itsy bitsy tiny ball bearings...
But that's not the worst part... the hydrogen, which we know is highly explosive, will ignite in a nuclear chain type of reaction under the weight like billions and billions (remember there are twice as many hydrogen molecules as oxygen molecules) of itsy bitsy hydrogen bomb atomic explosions and raise the tires off of the ground which are already slipping around because of the the ball bearing oxygen molecules.
Another way of putting it is ... I don't really have a clue... it just does... it's one of those mysteries of life that you just have to accept... like why does beer makes you pee....
when tires roll over water, the two elements seperate under the weight... you know what oxygen produces when released in water.. .it produces bubbles.... so that means the tires are now riding on bubbles... which are like millions and millions of itsy bitsy tiny ball bearings...
But that's not the worst part... the hydrogen, which we know is highly explosive, will ignite in a nuclear chain type of reaction under the weight like billions and billions (remember there are twice as many hydrogen molecules as oxygen molecules) of itsy bitsy hydrogen bomb atomic explosions and raise the tires off of the ground which are already slipping around because of the the ball bearing oxygen molecules.
Another way of putting it is ... I don't really have a clue... it just does... it's one of those mysteries of life that you just have to accept... like why does beer makes you pee....
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Re: Larger tires = less traction ? (88-L98-Z52)
It's a simple matter of physics.... Water is composed of two elements... 1 part oxygen and two parts hydrogen...
when tires roll over water, the two elements seperate under the weight... you know what oxygen produces when released in water.. .it produces bubbles.... so that means the tires are now riding on bubbles... which are like millions and millions of itsy bitsy tiny ball bearings...
But that's not the worst part... the hydrogen, which we know is highly explosive, will ignite in a nuclear chain type of reaction under the weight like billions and billions (remember there are twice as many hydrogen molecules as oxygen molecules) of itsy bitsy hydrogen bomb atomic explosions and raise the tires off of the ground which are already slipping around because of the the ball bearing oxygen molecules.
Another way of putting it is ... I don't really have a clue... it just does... it's one of those mysteries of life that you just have to accept... like why does beer makes you pee....
when tires roll over water, the two elements seperate under the weight... you know what oxygen produces when released in water.. .it produces bubbles.... so that means the tires are now riding on bubbles... which are like millions and millions of itsy bitsy tiny ball bearings...
But that's not the worst part... the hydrogen, which we know is highly explosive, will ignite in a nuclear chain type of reaction under the weight like billions and billions (remember there are twice as many hydrogen molecules as oxygen molecules) of itsy bitsy hydrogen bomb atomic explosions and raise the tires off of the ground which are already slipping around because of the the ball bearing oxygen molecules.
Another way of putting it is ... I don't really have a clue... it just does... it's one of those mysteries of life that you just have to accept... like why does beer makes you pee....
you almost had me going there....
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Re: Larger tires = less traction ? (88-L98-Z52)
88-L98-Z52, if that puzzles you try this one. How come sodium, which is a explosive in water and chlorine which is a deadly poison taste so good as NaCl and they separate in your body! :jester
Indeed traction depends on many factors that seem to violate "simple" physics. How can a dragster pull more than 1g if the coeficient of friction cannot exceed 1!
Wet traction depends on the ability to displace the lubricant, water; dry traction depends on how well the tire grips the pavement. In both cases things like tire width, sidewall strength, tread design and formulation and inflation (as well as weight transfer) are very important factors.
Indeed traction depends on many factors that seem to violate "simple" physics. How can a dragster pull more than 1g if the coeficient of friction cannot exceed 1!
Wet traction depends on the ability to displace the lubricant, water; dry traction depends on how well the tire grips the pavement. In both cases things like tire width, sidewall strength, tread design and formulation and inflation (as well as weight transfer) are very important factors.
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Re: Larger tires = less traction ? (65Z01)
88-L98-Z52, if that puzzles you try this one. How come sodium, which is a explosive in water and chlorine which is a deadly poison taste so good as NaCl and they separate in your body!
Oh that's easy... because salt is mentioned in the Bible, so it is a gift from God, which means it has to be good... It separates in your body and the sodium becomes one of the explosive elements released in natural body gas (which can be demonstrated with bic lighter 30 minutes after eating a mexican dinner) while the chlorine (which as we know, is common bleach) is released in controled amounts into our saliva in just enough of a concentration to keep our teeth white and just under the amount it would take to kill us.... it's all part of the beautiful and delicate balance of life.
Indeed traction depends on many factors that seem to violate "simple" physics. How can a dragster pull more than 1g if the coeficient of friction cannot exceed 1!
Ahhh another simple explaination... Beyond just the fact that mathematics can be used to prove anything so I won't cop out by using a mathematical equation... it's a matter of acceleration and the fact that matter compresses as it approaches the speed of light so the dragster is covering more distance in less time with each of it's length it travels than it occupied in a static state so it is no longer a one to one coeficient... Combined with the 'relativity' factor of the driver's perspective formed by the fact that he has just experienced the sensation of being shot out of a rocket and there is an itsy bitsy part of his brain that is screaming "We are going to die!!" which multiplies the Newtonian principles of physics that are at play... A body at rest, his at the startiing line, tends to stay at rest (so he has the sensation of his butt still sitting on the line) and a body in motion, the rocket fueled plastic dragster his body is strapped into that is blasting through the air ( a mixture or oxygen and nitrogen, we won't go into what THAT does, but you can imagine...) with enough of the Einsteinan g-force compression light speed factor to cause his brain to transform into a pool of jelly in the back of his head, tends to stay in motion and thus the g-forces multiply at a rate up to but not more than whatever the driver has promised to God if He will just let him live through all this one more time.
Hope I have explained this in simple enough terms for everyone to understand... since my brain has been turned into jelly more than a few times, sometimes I don't express things as well as I would like to... and this may well be one of those times, because I don't remember what we were talking about...
Oh that's easy... because salt is mentioned in the Bible, so it is a gift from God, which means it has to be good... It separates in your body and the sodium becomes one of the explosive elements released in natural body gas (which can be demonstrated with bic lighter 30 minutes after eating a mexican dinner) while the chlorine (which as we know, is common bleach) is released in controled amounts into our saliva in just enough of a concentration to keep our teeth white and just under the amount it would take to kill us.... it's all part of the beautiful and delicate balance of life.
Indeed traction depends on many factors that seem to violate "simple" physics. How can a dragster pull more than 1g if the coeficient of friction cannot exceed 1!
Ahhh another simple explaination... Beyond just the fact that mathematics can be used to prove anything so I won't cop out by using a mathematical equation... it's a matter of acceleration and the fact that matter compresses as it approaches the speed of light so the dragster is covering more distance in less time with each of it's length it travels than it occupied in a static state so it is no longer a one to one coeficient... Combined with the 'relativity' factor of the driver's perspective formed by the fact that he has just experienced the sensation of being shot out of a rocket and there is an itsy bitsy part of his brain that is screaming "We are going to die!!" which multiplies the Newtonian principles of physics that are at play... A body at rest, his at the startiing line, tends to stay at rest (so he has the sensation of his butt still sitting on the line) and a body in motion, the rocket fueled plastic dragster his body is strapped into that is blasting through the air ( a mixture or oxygen and nitrogen, we won't go into what THAT does, but you can imagine...) with enough of the Einsteinan g-force compression light speed factor to cause his brain to transform into a pool of jelly in the back of his head, tends to stay in motion and thus the g-forces multiply at a rate up to but not more than whatever the driver has promised to God if He will just let him live through all this one more time.
Hope I have explained this in simple enough terms for everyone to understand... since my brain has been turned into jelly more than a few times, sometimes I don't express things as well as I would like to... and this may well be one of those times, because I don't remember what we were talking about...