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Carry what I call a no start kit : Noid light, spark tester, fuel pressure gauge, and DVOM.
VATS is only in play at start up. It is the only time key is read is when cylinder is turned to "start". When it quits install fuel pressure gauge and noid light see what is not right. If injector wont blink. You will need to check opti although it should set code if it fails. There should be 12v on term C yellow wire and term D black ?pink wire is ground on pcm side of opti harness. On opti side terminal D should not have continuity to ground.
Im curious, what kind of fuel pressure guage do you carry that could be quickly used in the field. Is there a port on the c4?
Most any decent fuel pressure gauge will have a fitting for various test ports...and all C4's except '84 Crossfire have a Schrader valve test port on one of the fuel rails.
Most any decent fuel pressure gauge will have a fitting for various test ports...and all C4's except '84 Crossfire have a Schrader valve test port on one of the fuel rails.
Okay so car started fine. Let it warm up in my driveway. It died check and relay is clicking and fuses fp1 fp2 lose power. Cooled down for a couple hours then fires back up and fuses show power.
I would be suspect of the ECM...are there any codes being thrown?
^Maybe...but let the guys start w/the basics before we confuse him with statistically low failure point items. He says it runs on ether. He needs to check fuel before pursuing ECM's.
Car doesn't throw any codes at all. Runs then dies. Yes it runs on starting fluid. Runs perfect when it runs.
when it dies FP1 and FP2 fuses lose power
That is a pretty strong clue, I would say. Why are those fuses losing power? You need to figure that out. And see what you're fuel pressure is at the same time.
Could anyone look in the family and possible locate the fuel pump circuits on my 94 lt1? I ordered one but it's been back ordered. I'm trying to see where fp1 fp2 get power from
You need FSM. I don't have 94 manuals. On a 93 which maybe similar fp1 and fp2 are powered by fuel pump relay and oil pressure switch. The bulk head connector c100 from fuel pump fuse in under hood fuse block to fuel pump relay. C237 in a multiple wire connector on right side of dash. It carries 12v from oil switch to fp1. It also has part of the fuel pump relay ground circuits. You might look at the connectors for loose, corroded, or overheated terminals. Also connectors not fully seated. When the engine stalls the feeds the oil pressure feed will stop, however it should be present when engine is cranking immediately after stall. Cold engine can take longer to charge oil circuits then close switch. Clicking relay sounds like poor connection condition. You should also make sure the ground connections are clean and tight.
Search Natrlone93 in the search function. You will find my thread from last December titled Another Non Start Issue Thread. As you will read mine was crazy intermittent non start issues. Would always start on starter fluid though. Always had good spark and good fuel pressure at scrader valve. Mechanic checked injectors and multiple other things. Was the ECM. When it was cold and wouldn't start, tapping on it would make it start most of the time. When it was hot and wouldn't start, icing the ECM with ice pack would make it start every time. Sent it for rebuild and haven't had a single non start situation since. Simple to check with ice pack when it wont start hot.
Last edited by Natrlone93; Jul 20, 2018 at 10:43 AM.
Maybe. The ECM makes the engine run and turns on the fuel pump relay. The fuel pump oil switch requires engine to create oil pressure to power fuse. IMO Diagnosis will require a helper and needs to be done when car quits.
I'm not an expert but could the ECM in any way cause the loss of power at the fuses?
Apparently, in this case it could. There is a fuse that is after both the FP relay and the oil switch, so if the ECM isn't energizing the FP relay...or if the relay is bad, then you'd have no power at that FP fuse.. However, on a '94, there are also two FP fuses underhood, and those are completely unrelated to the ECM. If there is no power to them, there is a basic wiring problem there. In the schematic below, the "gray" wire leaving the 10a FP fuse, goes to the fuel pump motor.
Last edited by Tom400CFI; Jul 20, 2018 at 01:06 PM.
Apparetnly, in this case it could. The fuse is after both the FP relay and the oil switch, so if the ECM isn't energizing the FP relay...or if the relay is bad, then you'd have no power at your FP fuse....
NIce work on the diagram research. So the way mine was explained to me the solder joints get old and when heated from the engine can separate causing any untold number of conditions. When they cool they come back together. Mine was crazy the things it was doing. So a simple icing of the ECM when it's hot and dies or wont restart may off some clue. Just a suggestion. I had done and had done a lot of diagnosing before the shop tested mine with ice and then I retested it several times myself and it worked every time so I spent the 166 dollars and it worked.