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I know this has been posted about many times and I’ve been through the threads. My issue is this. I do not have auto climate control so I cannot say exactly what temp my 1990 L98 is running at - I can only look at the analog gauge. I’ve owned the car for 3yrs and have never had a cooling issue. The vehicle has 81k miles and when purchased had 70k. This summer has been a constant issue with what I’m assuming to be an overheat driving city/hwy in ambient temps of 80-90 degrees. I have replaced the thermostat, did a coolant flush, and replaced both fan relays (the fans were kicking on prior to the relay change but figured might as well, it’s still getting hot). I have checked between the radiator and condenser and of course there is very minor grass build up around the primary fan - I also noticed there were a few bent fins. Is the next step to simply replace the radiator? Just getting a bit frustrated and as stated, the radiator is not perfect and new but also does not appear to be so clogged as to cause this - the a/c fan side of the radiator is clear and just ‘some’ build up on the primary fan side. No visible leaks nor losing coolant. Just looking for advice on if it’s time to replace the radiator and ‘hope’ it solves this problem.
Car on, a/c fan and primary fan on. Ambient outdoor temp of 84 degrees
Press the "gauges" button until the DIGITAL display shows coolant temperature -- this digital gauge is MUCH more accurate than the useless analog gauge you are referring to. Generally people recommend to ignore the analog gauge.
So please get the temperature reading on the digital gauge and post it here.
Not quite sure which button would give me that read out. I was under the impression if you did not have Auto climate control you had to rely on analong. I have attached a pic of the buttons at hand
Well crap I forgot the L98 models didn't have some of the digital dash features of the LT1 cars. I thought they had very similar information displayed in similar ways. Sorry about my mistake.
In which case I suggest renting/borrowing a laser thermometer to determine what temperature your engine is actually running. Point it at the cylinder head, don't get too close to the exhaust. AIso I think you can connect some sort of digital gauge (ohmmeter) to the coolant temperature sensor and get an accurate reading, or perhaps there's an ALDL connector that will show more information. Hope this helps you.
Of course every bit of info helps, before I buy anymore gadgets or parts I will try to get a pic of my radiator through the peep hole to see if the bits of grass could be the culprit (at least an opinion)
You can access a digital temp readout if you have a C68 equipped climate control car.
hold down the both fan speed buttons for 5 or 6 seconds, you will then get a dash in the climate control display, using the fan speed up button go to parameter 16. Press the auto fan speed button and you have your temp readout in Celsius.
if you have a manual AC car, the only way to get an accurate temp is with a Adam tool.
BTW, the needle gauge is not very linear. It is a poor representation at the upper end of the scale.
The cheapest fix is to remove the radiator and drop it on the ground to bang out loose debris. You can take compressed air and blow from the back side as well. Also blowout the AC condenser as well.
dgxr's advice was good - but I'd recommend getting a IR temp "gun" and pointing it at the thermostat housing - the upper rad hose, and the rad inlet. Those should all be about the same temp , and should correspond with the temp gauge. If they don't - you've just found your problem (Inaccurate temp gauge). If that is the case - try replacing the temp gauge sender first - that is the normal issue. These IR guns typically cost around $20 - $30 and are available thru Amazon, some of the big box hardware stores and better stocked hardware stores. Those IR guns are useful for a number of other tests as well....
Another worthwhile test to be performed with one of those IR "guns" is to look at the radiator inlet temp and the outlet temp when the fans are running - you should see a good 20 degree drop. Much less than that and your rad isn't doing as good a job as it should....
Just one question - when you did the "coolant flush" - did you just drain the rad - or did you pull the block drains as well ??? This is more of an issue on the LT1./LT4 cars that use the reverse flow cooling system - but doing a full drain and refill is a good idea when experiencing cooling system issues .
As for the thermostat and coolant flush I was pressed for
time and had the stealership do it (450.00) hence a bit of frustration. I know they put in the OEM replacement and the upper hose gets very hot to the touch
I know this has been posted about many times and I’ve been through the threads. My issue is this. I do not have auto climate control so I cannot say exactly what temp my 1990 L98 is running at - I can only look at the analog gauge. I’ve owned the car for 3yrs and have never had a cooling issue. The vehicle has 81k miles and when purchased had 70k. This summer has been a constant issue with what I’m assuming to be an overheat driving city/hwy in ambient temps of 80-90 degrees. I have replaced the thermostat, did a coolant flush, and replaced both fan relays (the fans were kicking on prior to the relay change but figured might as well, it’s still getting hot). I have checked between the radiator and condenser and of course there is very minor grass build up around the primary fan - I also noticed there were a few bent fins. Is the next step to simply replace the radiator? Just getting a bit frustrated and as stated, the radiator is not perfect and new but also does not appear to be so clogged as to cause this - the a/c fan side of the radiator is clear and just ‘some’ build up on the primary fan side. No visible leaks nor losing coolant. Just looking for advice on if it’s time to replace the radiator and ‘hope’ it solves this problem.
Car on, a/c fan and primary fan on. Ambient outdoor temp of 84 degrees
That is probably a correct readout of the temperature. My L98 runs between 195-235 depending on how long I sit in traffic no matter what the temperature is unless it is really, really cold outside. That looks like 230-235 on the analog gauge to me. If the fans come on when it gets hot, it has new coolant, a working thermostat and runs OK I would let it alone. According to my research, the L98 in these cars was designed to balance performance with emissions and fuel economy. The higher engine temperature allowed for slightly higher compression, better fuel economy, and cleaner emissions.
The journey with my car ended up leaving me to embracing what the engineers intended. My C4 was riddled with all of these "improvements" like IAT relocation, a lower thermostat, fans on all the time, etc. As I experimented with putting it back to the original configuration, I found that the car runs much better and gets better fuel economy which is important for a daily driver. I suppose if one was racing some of these changes would be beneficial to some degree although how much improvement they would provide is up for debate.
As for the thermostat and coolant flush I was pressed for
time and had the stealership do it (450.00) hence a bit of frustration. I know they put in the OEM replacement and the upper hose gets very hot to the touch
Hot to the touch could be almost anything from 160 - 250... Generally speaking most people can't hold something that's at 150 or so on their fingertips for more than 5 - 6 seconds....Most household hot water heaters are set below 140...
Spend the $$$ and get to IR gun, or borrow one and that will tell you what you're dealing with...
And even though the dealer charged you $450 - that does not mean they did the full cooling system drain / flush. It's rather rare that a dealership mechanic will pull the block drains - it normally creates a big mess - as coolant goes darn near everywhere. Very difficult to catch the coolant as it runs down lots of different things.
Last edited by Purple92; Aug 12, 2018 at 09:44 AM.
Clean the Aluminum fins with "Coil Cleaner" available at Home Depot for cleaning the aluminum fins on your Home A/C system. This stuff removes the corrosion that accumulates on aluminum outdoors, it will make the radiator transfer more heat if the coils are clean. You spray the coil cleaner on and wait a few minutes and spray it off, just don't use pressure or the water will bend the fins on your radiator, I use open hose and get it all off the car.
Check your Coolant mixture, too much anti-freeze actually works against you. I have seen cars that were having problems simply because they ran pure anti-freeze in their coolant system. I could not tell where you live so I will tell you that here in Northern Virginia we don't see deep freezes very often. I run 30% A/F and 70% Distilled Water with a bottle of "Water Wetter" in it to help even more. Water is way better than A/F at transferring the heat....
{On my C3 I use Evans NPG coolant and my big block really likes that stuff. It has a boiling point of over 375* but the coolant is expensive, when you need 4-5 gallons of it then you hurt financially. Literally the first time I used this expensive coolant on the highway a road rock jumped up, hit my fan blade and punched a hole in my radiator, that was painful as I could hear it running out on the way home. Now I keep silicone plugs in the car for such an event.}
Check your Radiator's pressure cap, if it is over five years old pitch it and buy a new one of the correct pressure for your particular car. The "standard" cooling system will work better with pressure in it, the pressure raises the boiling point of your coolant.
Check your engine's timing to be sure that is not adding to your car's troubles. I keep mine set at the factory settings as I have a stock L98.
Check to be sure that your front spoiler is all there and functional, this is critical on a Corvette.
Never, ever trust your temperature gauge to be accurate unless you made it so or have verified that it is. Your temperature gauge certainly looked like it was reading hot for a 84 degree ambient day.
I hope that this might help you keep your Corvette cool (er). Good Luck!
My apologies for a very slow response. I’ve been out of town (still out of town driving the car so working on it is pretty much impossible unless taking it in to a shop - family emergency and didn’t intend on using this vehicle for a daily driver).
As one stated above I’m in eastern TN, close to the VA border right now, my temps have seemed to even out a bit running closer to the middle, of course heating up a bit in traffic as pictured. A different issue I’m assuming coincidences with the cooling is when the car has been running on the warm side of I park it for a while and restart, it cranks up but it’s a slow sluggish crank with a very rough idle for abou 45 sec to a min then it will even out this goes along with getting a lot of pressure build up in my gas tank. I always keep it topped off and never let the fuel get close to 1/2 tank. At home I always used 100% premium 91 octane and I cannot find that fuel here, have to run the 93 octane w/ 10% ethanol. There is a thread on that but went down quite a few rabbit trails and ended up way off topic of what could cause it. Fuel, charcoal canister, etc no clue. Just an update. Also noticed that there is a lot more grass build up on the radiator driving roughly 100+ miles a day and unfortunately do not have the tools here to remove the shroud.
My apologies for a very slow response. I’ve been out of town (still out of town driving the car so working on it is pretty much impossible unless taking it in to a shop - family emergency and didn’t intend on using this vehicle for a daily driver).
As one stated above I’m in eastern TN, close to the VA border right now, my temps have seemed to even out a bit running closer to the middle, of course heating up a bit in traffic as pictured. A different issue I’m assuming coincidences with the cooling is when the car has been running on the warm side of I park it for a while and restart, it cranks up but it’s a slow sluggish crank with a very rough idle for abou 45 sec to a min then it will even out this goes along with getting a lot of pressure build up in my gas tank. I always keep it topped off and never let the fuel get close to 1/2 tank. At home I always used 100% premium 91 octane and I cannot find that fuel here, have to run the 93 octane w/ 10% ethanol. There is a thread on that but went down quite a few rabbit trails and ended up way off topic of what could cause it. Fuel, charcoal canister, etc no clue. Just an update. Also noticed that there is a lot more grass build up on the radiator driving roughly 100+ miles a day and unfortunately do not have the tools here to remove the shroud.
I was able to get a lot of the debris from the radiator area without removing the shroud. I used a back scratcher stick, inserted through the hole in the upper-right area of the shroud. This loosened up a lot of the junk and then I put a vacuum hose long extension down the hole and sucked most of it out. Worked pretty good. If you take this approach, be very careful to avoid bending the cooling fins on the radiator.