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Old Jul 30, 2020 | 04:29 PM
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Once again when I read about Corvettes running rich after all these parts were replaced. I go back and ask about the age of your Oxygen sensor. O2's are notorious with going rich when they break down. If you are driving around with a Older O2 sensor then That would be the very first thing I would look at. As they age their signal strength weakens and it starts to respond more slowly which causes issues for your ECM.

If your Oxygen sensor is okay then check you CTS to be sure it is reading properly. If it is telling the ECM that the engine is cooler than it really is the ECM will respond with extra gas thinking it is a cold start. This is what happened with old Carburetor engines when their choke was stuck "on".
If it fails the other way and is telling the ECM it is warmer than it really is the car will not get any cold start enrichment and will be very hard to start.
The CTS can be read with a Volt Ohm meter and there is a chart in the factory service manual that shows the temperature reading from the resistance reading you get from the sensor.
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Old Jul 30, 2020 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ctmccloskey
Once again when I read about Corvettes running rich after all these parts were replaced. I go back and ask about the age of your Oxygen sensor. O2's are notorious with going rich when they break down. If you are driving around with a Older O2 sensor then That would be the very first thing I would look at. As they age their signal strength weakens and it starts to respond more slowly which causes issues for your ECM.

If your Oxygen sensor is okay then check you CTS to be sure it is reading properly. If it is telling the ECM that the engine is cooler than it really is the ECM will respond with extra gas thinking it is a cold start. This is what happened with old Carburetor engines when their choke was stuck "on".
If it fails the other way and is telling the ECM it is warmer than it really is the car will not get any cold start enrichment and will be very hard to start.
The CTS can be read with a Volt Ohm meter and there is a chart in the factory service manual that shows the temperature reading from the resistance reading you get from the sensor.
The above highlighted statements are not correct. On the 1985 - 1988 cars, the CSI (Cold Start Injector) and associated temp switch are not tied to the ECM, and are an entirely independent stand-alone system. The OP's car is a 1985.
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Old Jul 31, 2020 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Red86Z51
The above highlighted statements are not correct. On the 1985 - 1988 cars, the CSI (Cold Start Injector) and associated temp switch are not tied to the ECM, and are an entirely independent stand-alone system. The OP's car is a 1985.
I believe you and @ctmccloskey are both correct just talking about different things. You are correct about the CSI, but it is only powered during cranking. However, many portions of the .bin have tables that are affected by the CTS. In fact there is even a table for Crank Pulse width versus Coolant Temp since the CSI is only used at low temps during cranking. Just for reference, here is all the tables in the .bin that compensate based off the CTS for an 85:


The CTS affects fuel, spark, and engine speed including adjusting the target AFR based off temp. So, if the engine is actually at 180*F but the CTS is saying its 50*F, you will be running rich in any condition, not just at cranking.

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