Toe Link
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Burning Brakes
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From: Iowa
Toe Link
Well from past posts I have made regarding the updates on my 95, All new Super Pro bushings in the entire car. I was under the car today getting a game plan and I noticed the toe link.
sorry for my ignorance but what does it do and what pieces should I look at for replacement or updating. The car will be used for cruising only.
Thanks in advance
Hawkeye56
sorry for my ignorance but what does it do and what pieces should I look at for replacement or updating. The car will be used for cruising only.
Thanks in advance
Hawkeye56
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From: St. Charles MO
You're talking about the toe links in the rear suspension? Those do the same thing your tie rods do up front, only the steering angle is fixed instead of attached to a steering rack. You set your rear toe by these links. It only needs to be replaced if it has slop in the joints, or if you have so many mods to the car that you need more adjustment than it allows (doubtful). You can disconnect it at the knuckle on each side and literally try to move it in and out and check for any play. It looks like the outer tie rods for this link are still available, because they are the same as the front outer tie rods. It's the inners that seem to be unobtanium. If they are shot, then you might have to go with something aftermarket like Banksi.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Iowa
You're talking about the toe links in the rear suspension? Those do the same thing your tie rods do up front, only the steering angle is fixed instead of attached to a steering rack. You set your rear toe by these links. It only needs to be replaced if it has slop in the joints, or if you have so many mods to the car that you need more adjustment than it allows (doubtful). You can disconnect it at the knuckle on each side and literally try to move it in and out and check for any play. It looks like the outer tie rods for this link are still available, because they are the same as the front outer tie rods. It's the inners that seem to be unobtanium. If they are shot, then you might have to go with something aftermarket like Banksi.
I really appreciate all of the great information you provide.
Thanks Hawkeye56
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Glad I can pass along some stuff I've learned. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to how fragile the stock toe links are. Mine never had the OE one installed when I owned the car. I mean, I beat the hell of the front outer tie rods ends with autocross runs on very sticky tires, and the previous owner did the same as well as a bunch of track days. They never failed on me, and they're the same as the outer ends on the rear toe link. But they're cheap to replace anyway. I think the question is how fragile the inner pivots are, but I just don't know. Maybe someone else can chime in.
Last edited by MatthewMiller; Nov 17, 2020 at 08:36 PM.
Drifting
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I can confirm with data that the toe links are fragile enough that if you strike a curb with the rear wheel going 30 MPH, it will bend the outer threaded portion toe arm, necessitating replacement.
I don't recommend this under normal operating conditions, however.
I don't recommend this under normal operating conditions, however.
Last edited by Nomake Wan; Nov 17, 2020 at 07:57 PM.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Iowa
I will inspect them for play, If I have to replace them I will probably go with Banski.
will it affect the ride any? I do not believe it would but thought I would ask.
Thanks
Hawkeye56
will it affect the ride any? I do not believe it would but thought I would ask.
Thanks
Hawkeye56
Drifting
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I replaced my entire toe arm assembly with Vansteel. Didn't affect the ride quality, didn't notice any additional noise. Then again I have a Magnaflow exhaust system, so the ride would have to get quite a bit more noisy to be louder than the exhaust.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Iowa
Well I would like your advice, Since I am doing all of the updates would it be advisable to just go ahead and replace the Toe Link with a Banski unit?
Or am I just wasting money something that stock is good enough as long as it is now loose. I will be cruising only but I want a tight well handling auto.
A little more information a previous owner did auto cross it with sticky tires.
Thank You
Hawkeye56
Or am I just wasting money something that stock is good enough as long as it is now loose. I will be cruising only but I want a tight well handling auto.
A little more information a previous owner did auto cross it with sticky tires.
Thank You
Hawkeye56
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From: St. Charles MO
Well I would like your advice, Since I am doing all of the updates would it be advisable to just go ahead and replace the Toe Link with a Banski unit?
Or am I just wasting money something that stock is good enough as long as it is now loose. I will be cruising only but I want a tight well handling auto.
A little more information a previous owner did auto cross it with sticky tires.
Thank You
Hawkeye56
Or am I just wasting money something that stock is good enough as long as it is now loose. I will be cruising only but I want a tight well handling auto.
A little more information a previous owner did auto cross it with sticky tires.
Thank You
Hawkeye56
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My '92 has just under 200,000 miles, it's 28 years old, and I drive the wee out of it; DD it, Track days, Auto-x, Drag track....they're in tact and tight.
It's already a steel ball/socket joint, so as long as it's not worn/sloppy, I don't see how there is any "gain" in replacing it.
I would think that if your stock toe links have no slop, then I would not worry about replacing them for now. It's not like the other suspension links that use rubber bushings, or (in the case of the camber rod) use an inferior method of setting alignment. So as far as I know, there is not as much to gain from replacing a good-condition stock toe link as there is for the camber rod.
It's already a steel ball/socket joint, so as long as it's not worn/sloppy, I don't see how there is any "gain" in replacing it.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Iowa
My '92 has just under 200,000 miles, it's 28 years old, and I drive the wee out of it; DD it, Track days, Auto-x, Drag track....they're in tact and tight.
It's already a steel ball/socket joint, so as long as it's not worn/sloppy, I don't see how there is any "gain" in replacing it.
It's already a steel ball/socket joint, so as long as it's not worn/sloppy, I don't see how there is any "gain" in replacing it.I will post what I find out.
Thanks Hawkeye56
