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Old Dec 17, 2021 | 11:44 PM
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I have used both mail order tuners mentioned on a 96 Trans am LT1.
First i sent it off to LT1pcmtuning and the car ran like crap and the idle was at around 1500 and would gradually come down under 1000 after about 10 seconds of letting off the gas. Sent it off to PCM's for less and the tune was corrected with good idle and performance.
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Old Dec 18, 2021 | 11:53 AM
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To the OP: If you dig around deep, and I do mean deep.. like as in lt1 forums (not corvette) you may find an lt4 tune. I didnt read this whole thread so if someone else said it, Im sorry but the only "tune" to be made on a stock setup is to remove some of the rich (or lean, I forget now) out of the high rpm area.

I own a DST tuner.. all i can say is be careful and read a lot before you do so.. like keep an adequate battery charger on at all times for one or you will wind up with a brick. I ended up socketting mine as I got tired of bricking my ECMs.

FWIW, I have a stock grand sport tune if anyone needs it.

Bottom line, you have very little to gain if you are stock and isnt worth the hassle.. Youd never feel seat of your pants except from wishful thinking.

Just keep what you have an enjoy it, GM did its best to gain every single HP out of these motors with all the tree hugger stuff required at the time. They desperately needed high HP to sell these cars.

My opinion based on quite a bit of research.. knowing this forum someone will say something nasty.. So I wont even subscribe.

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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 07:45 AM
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Would adding a 180’ thermostat and turning fans on earlier with a programmer net me any hp??? I don’t like how warm these corvettes run.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 08:16 AM
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You can change the thermostat and the fans but you won't get any power gains from that. Remember, the factory designed these cars to run in that temp range. GM isn't going to let a car run at a temp that does long term damage to the engine. You won't do any damage changing the thermostat or the fans but unless you are doing it for something like a racing application it isn't necessary.

Are you seeing spikes in temp? Or just don't like seeing the gauge that high in general? You should see 190-200* driving around and 215-230* idling. Fans come on around 225-230*. Coolant doesn't start to boil and become dangerous until 260*.

BTW, the gauge is only a guestimate-the more accurate temp is found when you cycle through the digital gauge. When is the last time the coolant was flushed? That can help temp control as well, besides being a good idea for durability.

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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 08:56 AM
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No it’s right in the temp area you described
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 09:09 AM
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I didn’t know because I was curious if under hood temps were cooler if it led to less heat soak and slightly cooler air going into motor. BTW what about TB Bypass, is it worth doing or would you just leave it alone?
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 09:30 AM
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Here is the "Oh By The Way" statement. Jet DST runs best and most reliably on a dedicated Windows XP computer. You CAN get it running under "Compatibility" modes. See this PDF from Jet

https://jetchip.com/wp-content/uploa...structions.pdf

I have had it crash just messing around with the software on a Win 7 box. You have to be very careful with it.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by drcook
Here is the "Oh By The Way" statement. Jet DST runs best and most reliably on a dedicated Windows XP computer. You CAN get it running under "Compatibility" modes. See this PDF from Jet

https://jetchip.com/wp-content/uploa...structions.pdf

I have had it crash just messing around with the software on a Win 7 box. You have to be very careful with it.
^^^ All of this. There's no problem if it crashes while you're editing files or just trying it out on a later platform. But there's a big problem if it crashes while you're attempting to flash a new .bin file to the car's PCM! I strongly recommend a dedicated PC running true XP. Also, don't connect that PC to the internet - or at least make sure that machine has no info on it you want to keep private - because XP has seriously security vulnerabilities that make it likely to get hacked very quickly.
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Originally Posted by Bravesc10
I didn’t know because I was curious if under hood temps were cooler if it led to less heat soak and slightly cooler air going into motor. BTW what about TB Bypass, is it worth doing or would you just leave it alone?
Same as the fans/thermostat - you can do it if you want but you won't get anything out of it.

If you want any real power gains you have to do cam/head work. Which then requires tuning and all the other parts that then become weak points. It becomes a money pit really quickly. Not saying it's a waste but you really need to be commited to the time and money it takes to make any noticeable power. The LT4 is a really solid engine that has a great, fun rev range.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 12:00 PM
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that if you're looking for "real" gains, you'll need heads/cam/tune, or forced induction, etc.


Originally Posted by Bravesc10
Would adding a 180’ thermostat and turning fans on earlier with a programmer net me any hp??? I don’t like how warm these corvettes run.
Car already has a 180 stat in it....that was factory spec. If the cooling system is properly maintained...and most are not, it should be driving the temps down against the stat most of the time that driving at speed/have good airflow through the radiator.



Originally Posted by djpink889
You can change the thermostat and the fans but you won't get any power gains from that. Remember, the factory designed these cars to run in that temp range. GM isn't going to let a car run at a temp that does long term damage to the engine. You won't do any damage changing the thermostat or the fans but unless you are doing it for something like a racing application it isn't necessary.

When is the last time the coolant was flushed? That can help temp control as well, besides being a good idea for durability.
GM "designed" the engine to run in a temp range that met the criteria that they had to meet...and we don't. It's also interesting to note, in the "temp debates" that the car came with a 180 stat, but the fans don't turn on until ~230*F on most LT cars (I know '96 has a different PWM controller that starts lower), so that it a whopping 50* temp operating range that GM was fine with. 50 degrees!! So, which temp is "right". Well, that is a personal choice for your intended use.

As for any claims that there is no power in temps, well, that ain't true. Not that there are huge gains, but there ARE gains in running lower temps....Even with out exploiting the greatest benefits, which is the possibility of running more timing! HERE IS A THREAD, on that subject, with multiple dyno tests shown.
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Old Jan 16, 2022 | 05:29 PM
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Does Bryan from PCMforless not do mail order tunes anymore?
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Old Jan 16, 2022 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bravesc10
Does Bryan from PCMforless not do mail order tunes anymore?
https://www.pcmforless.com/

Keith Wenzel in Stow Ohio
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Old Jan 16, 2022 | 05:52 PM
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Isn't there a pcm4less out of north carolina?

I think is it

https://www.pcmofnc.com/




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Originally Posted by vette196
Isn't there a pcm4less out of north carolina?

I think is it

https://www.pcmofnc.com/
If you go into his drop down boxes on the website, 94/95/96 LT1/4 C4's are not on the list that they do.
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Old Jan 20, 2022 | 09:40 AM
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Was curious because I havnt read as many good things about Keith
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