What is the difference?
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What is the difference?
What is the difference between the rear ends, say a dana 44, in a 89 vette to that of a 96? I saw an add in GM high Tech for systems that allow conversions to ford 9" rears for ~2100 bucks.
I don't have the add here in front of me, it just said lt1 conversions. Are they talking about the camero cars, or is this something that could be adapted to the vettes...
Anyone with any experience know anything that could enlighten me? :cheers:
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I don't have the add here in front of me, it just said lt1 conversions. Are they talking about the camero cars, or is this something that could be adapted to the vettes...
Anyone with any experience know anything that could enlighten me? :cheers:
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
I'll bet it's F body suspensions they're talking about, rather than Y body. Sure would put your mind at ease as far as the rear end is concerned though.
As far as the difference in the C4 D44 only, I don't think there is one. The D44 for my '87 came out of a '91, so I can't say for sure.
As far as the difference in the C4 D44 only, I don't think there is one. The D44 for my '87 came out of a '91, so I can't say for sure.
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
that would be an Fbody conversion. The Fbodies are notorious for having crap rear ends.
The Dana 44 is well known for being strong as hell.
they do break, but it takes effort.
you don't have to worry...
and I agree, I don't think there is any difference in the D44 from its arrival in 1985 to its exit in 1996... BTW, Dodge uses a D44 in the Viper...
what makes it a D44 is the guts... the cases are not compatible from Viper to GM, I don't think.
The Dana 44 is well known for being strong as hell.
they do break, but it takes effort.
you don't have to worry...
and I agree, I don't think there is any difference in the D44 from its arrival in 1985 to its exit in 1996... BTW, Dodge uses a D44 in the Viper...
what makes it a D44 is the guts... the cases are not compatible from Viper to GM, I don't think.
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Re: What is the difference? (bogus)
I figured they were most likely talking about the cameros. Probably isn't the demand in the vettes to constitute a 9" conversion, not to mention the loss of the independant suspension would scare away most.
I really think the D44 is gonna be the weak link in my setup. I just hate to drop 1500 bucks and have it explode all over the track, when that money could be going in a bulletproof setup, like a 9".
Its not spending the money that makes me sick, its if it just wasted. :U
Wonder how hard it would be to get a 9" setup in the car? I know its been done, but it probably would be a nightmare for the average person to do, that is why I was inquiring on the ad.
Thanks....
I really think the D44 is gonna be the weak link in my setup. I just hate to drop 1500 bucks and have it explode all over the track, when that money could be going in a bulletproof setup, like a 9".
Its not spending the money that makes me sick, its if it just wasted. :U
Wonder how hard it would be to get a 9" setup in the car? I know its been done, but it probably would be a nightmare for the average person to do, that is why I was inquiring on the ad.
Thanks....
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Re: What is the difference? (bogus)
and I agree, I don't think there is any difference in the D44 from its arrival in 1985 to its exit in 1996...
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
I really think the D44 is gonna be the weak link in my setup
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
Jess
I had a Ford 9" in my 88 Irocz. It was bulletproof.
The whole setup with 3.70 gears and a Detroit locker cost me $1800 ready to bolt in.
No such option exists for out Vettes.
Vic
I had a Ford 9" in my 88 Irocz. It was bulletproof.
The whole setup with 3.70 gears and a Detroit locker cost me $1800 ready to bolt in.
No such option exists for out Vettes.
Vic
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
No such option exists for our Vettes.
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THat SUcks! :mad
Vic
THat SUcks! :mad
RPM Frank is working on a Ford 8.8 rear that will be a direct bolt in for the C4.
It's not going to be cheap(from what I've heard), but the more interest and the more sales surely will bring the price down some.
Go check it out.
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Re: What is the difference? (Mr Mojo)
No such option exists for our Vettes.
Vic
THat SUcks! :mad
But wait, have you looked in the drag racing section lately?
RPM Frank is working on a Ford 8.8 rear that will be a direct bolt in for the C4.
It's not going to be cheap(from what I've heard), but the more interest and the more sales surely will bring the price down some.
Go check it out.
Vic
THat SUcks! :mad
But wait, have you looked in the drag racing section lately?
RPM Frank is working on a Ford 8.8 rear that will be a direct bolt in for the C4.
It's not going to be cheap(from what I've heard), but the more interest and the more sales surely will bring the price down some.
Go check it out.
That sounds great.
I'm going to check it out
;)
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
A D44 is plenty strong!.......but if you plan on replacing it with a 9".....it will be useless as a road car.....but that can be done also it does reuire a lot of work (trust me)....my sugestion is.....unless your car is running so fast that NHRA rules mandate removal of IRS ...."keep the d44"
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Re: What is the difference? (snaketr)
John Meany does not have any trouble with his D44. His is the aqua 89 with now 1700 hp. So unless you are going over this you should be fine.
John Meany does not have any trouble with his D44. His is the aqua 89 with now 1700 hp. So unless you are going over this you should be fine.
Your making me feel better about the D44. i looked in the tech tips for the reinforcement tips, but did not see any...maybe I skipped over it :confused:
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
Very true, it black the first 1/8 mile of the track. What I should have said it the car covers the last 1/8 mile in 3 seconds and to run 160+ in the 1/4 takes amazing wheel speed and the D44 is living through that. As a matter of fact in the article they did last time on the car that made note that the stock D44 has never failed in it.
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Re: What is the difference? (snaketr)
Sound like the pin is already pulled on that gernade and it just has a delayed fuse. :lol: I would not want my rear end exploding under my azz at 160+mph....You are just asking to get killed! :eek:
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
John Meany is making like 1300+ hp....i pretty much copied his setup.
ski_down_it
IMHO, your not going to make enough hp/torque to break a properly built dana 44.
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IMHO, your not going to make enough hp/torque to break a properly built dana 44.
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Re: What is the difference? (Speedracer176)
now serious guys do you really think those rears will hold up i would like to hear from everybody out there because this subject very much interests me i mean how about new92racer (dave) he has broken quite a few of them ralph broke some i think also and these guys dont have no where near 1300 hp either please chime in :cheers:
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Re: What is the difference? (CORKVETTE1)
I may be off in left field with this comment, but I will bet that corkvette is putting way more stress on his rear than these guys with 1300+ hp. For the simple fact their 60ft times are probably totally spinning and no where near low 1.5s.
I would guess that most failure on the rears, any rear for that matter, are off the line and not past the 60' mark.
I too would like to hear from some others on the subject. What gears are these guys running with 1300+ HP. I would image the higher gears like 3.07 have a better survival chance than 4.10 due to the increase in material from less teeth, but again I may be way off.
I would guess that most failure on the rears, any rear for that matter, are off the line and not past the 60' mark.
I too would like to hear from some others on the subject. What gears are these guys running with 1300+ HP. I would image the higher gears like 3.07 have a better survival chance than 4.10 due to the increase in material from less teeth, but again I may be way off.
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Re: What is the difference? (ski_dwn_it)
To set the story straight, at the time the article was written is was 1300 hp, it is now 1700 because of a turbo swap. Yes if the rear is properly built it will hold up even with low 60' times. You will break u-joints before the rear. My friend Dan who tune very fast DFI equipped cars for a living has a customer with a 89 that races in Richmond, VA sometimes. The car has a 3.54 D44 and it is currently turning a 9.94 and is naturally aspirated. It has never broken. I do not know what the HP is on the car but it is a full weight so plug it in to your hp calculator and figure it out. Of course I am not saying they will not break, anything can, Dan's camaro just crippled a 35 spline 9" ford with spool in it.
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