C4 convertible 1990: engine stops
SYS was shown in the instrument, no other indications were shown.
I disconnected the battery and did load it fully.
I took the ECM out and cleaned all contacts and put it in again.
Then I replaced the fuel filter.
Next step was to connect a diagnosis instrument which I have from a 1988 C4: No trouble codes. Everything seemed ok again.
But after getting to normal temperature the problems came back again: the engine stops when accelerating about 2 times in idle.
But still no trouble codes.
Any ideas about what I shall try next are welcome!!
Thanks for your support.





When you say "no codes" I suspect that you did not query the CCM, because if you had a SYS there should be a History code in the CCM. There are onboard diagnostics in the 1990-1996. They are informative for CCM and ECM codes for the 90-91.
Jumper A and G in the ALDL.
Turn the key to RUN and watch the speedometer LCD.
There is a 'little number' that is the Module. Module 1. is the CCM, Module 4. is the ECM.
Watch the codes go by and write them down. When "- - - " is displayed, that is the end of the data for that module.
When Module 4 "- - -" is displayed, the system goes to 1. and waits for further instructions.
A "C" code is Current. The fault is currently present. An "H" code is a History code, it has set in the past 50 ignition cycles. A "C" code is always accompanied by an "H" code.
If you get lost, or want to see them again, turn the key off for about 10 seconds and back to RUN. It starts over.
F - E - D - C - B - A
G - H - J - K - l - M
Disconnecting the battery does not clear CCM codes. If you had a SYS, there is a CCM History code. Use the onboard diagnostics and report back. Cheers.
When you say "no codes" I suspect that you did not query the CCM, because if you had a SYS there should be a History code in the CCM. There are onboard diagnostics in the 1990-1996. They are informative for CCM and ECM codes for the 90-91.
Jumper A and G in the ALDL.
Turn the key to RUN and watch the speedometer LCD.
There is a 'little number' that is the Module. Module 1. is the CCM, Module 4. is the ECM.
Watch the codes go by and write them down. When "- - - " is displayed, that is the end of the data for that module.
When Module 4 "- - -" is displayed, the system goes to 1. and waits for further instructions.
A "C" code is Current. The fault is currently present. An "H" code is a History code, it has set in the past 50 ignition cycles. A "C" code is always accompanied by an "H" code.
If you get lost, or want to see them again, turn the key off for about 10 seconds and back to RUN. It starts over.
F - E - D - C - B - A
G - H - J - K - l - M
Disconnecting the battery does not clear CCM codes. If you had a SYS, there is a CCM History code. Use the onboard diagnostics and report back. Cheers.
When I attach my AuotXray there are no trouble codes at all!?
For H41 I found: "Loss of ECM serial data communications"which does not help me as I am an electronic nut.
The car starts everytime like normal and it behaves also as normal on my drive as long as it is not warm. Then it stalls when I try to accerate and it does not start again.
When I searched fora new ECM I got the impression that these are rare like hen's teeth.
Are the ECM's the same (identical) for US and European cars?





Clear the code. Jumper A&G, turn key to RUN, let the codes run until 1.0 is again displayed.
Push TRIP/ODO until "1.7" is displayed.
Push and HOLD ENG/MET until "- - - " is displayed. The codes in that module (1, CCM) are now cleared.
The next time it dies, check for codes again with the onboard system. If 1.H41 is set again, it is the engine ECM.
I realize you are in Sweden, but SIA Electronics are the go-to solution for the 92-93 ECM. You might contact them regarding the 90 ECM.
Your scanner thing can only access the engine ECM. The H41 is setting in the CCM which your scanner thing does not read. That 4.1 has only "- - - " means there are no codes in the ECM; your scanner is correct for the ECM.
Regarding "Are the ECM's the same (identical) for US and European cars?"
Is your car an originally built for export car, or was it exported/imported a period of time after it was built? There are RPO codes on the sticker under the console door for Export Equipment for various countries. If you can post a picture of your sticker (we call it the Service Parts Information Decal or SPID) there are peeps here that can tell you if one of the codes is an export code. The calibration (PROM or Calpack or "chip") may be different for a true export, but the ECM itself will be the same. You transfer your existing PROM/Calpack to the replacement ECM.
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Clear the code. Jumper A&G, turn key to RUN, let the codes run until 1.0 is again displayed.
Push TRIP/ODO until "1.7" is displayed.
Push and HOLD ENG/MET until "- - - " is displayed. The codes in that module (1, CCM) are now cleared.
The next time it dies, check for codes again with the onboard system. If 1.H41 is set again, it is the engine ECM.
I realize you are in Sweden, but SIA Electronics are the go-to solution for the 92-93 ECM. You might contact them regarding the 90 ECM.
Your scanner thing can only access the engine ECM. The H41 is setting in the CCM which your scanner thing does not read. That 4.1 has only "- - - " means there are no codes in the ECM; your scanner is correct for the ECM.
Regarding "Are the ECM's the same (identical) for US and European cars?"
Is your car an originally built for export car, or was it exported/imported a period of time after it was built? There are RPO codes on the sticker under the console door for Export Equipment for various countries. If you can post a picture of your sticker (we call it the Service Parts Information Decal or SPID) there are peeps here that can tell you if one of the codes is an export code. The calibration (PROM or Calpack or "chip") may be different for a true export, but the ECM itself will be the same. You transfer your existing PROM/Calpack to the replacement ECM.





The one I have now came out of a Buick Regal. Was on the car when I bought it...
Engine display came only on after starting the engine!? With the ignition on it stayed black. After going through the steps you recommended there was a new trouble code showing up: C12
And the display has now fully given up: even no display of any information with the engine running!? it stays black but the engine starts as normal.
Do I need a new ECM or also the other control unit?










