Crazy air pump idea....possible?
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Le Mans Master
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Crazy air pump idea....possible?
The idea is, rather than buying a pulley elimination kit and all that jazz, just take an air pump and sort of gut it so it appears to be an air pump but it is light and free spinning. :confused:
I don't know if this is possible nor have I ever taken an air pump apart before I just know I have access to an old one, and thought it might be a similar idea as to sleeving a cat... anyway if anyone has tried this or knows its definitly not possible, cool. If not I might just have another seemingly free mod on my hands (minus cost for reprogramming. . .)
I'm gonna try to pick it up tomorrow so I'll let you know what happens. . .
I don't know if this is possible nor have I ever taken an air pump apart before I just know I have access to an old one, and thought it might be a similar idea as to sleeving a cat... anyway if anyone has tried this or knows its definitly not possible, cool. If not I might just have another seemingly free mod on my hands (minus cost for reprogramming. . .)
I'm gonna try to pick it up tomorrow so I'll let you know what happens. . .
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
yes it is possible and has been done. I havent personally done it, but have a friend that has. Do a search for topics created by 85WhiteZ51 in the archived section. I think he posted what he did. I went the route of the elim kit and should have it in the next week. i think the elim kit cleans up the engine compartment a lot so it served a dual purpose.
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (Goody)
Hmmm...what are those? :crazy:
Yeah pretty much, I was also thinking it might be less pull on the engine and minor things like that... but yeah if it doesn't work I'm sure I could just disconnect stuff. Thanks.
:seeya
Yeah, I agree the elim kit does make it look quite a bit cleaner. I first saw it in a friend of mine's vette along w/yellow SR, black headers/valvecovers/elim kit etc... The whole engine was done up in black and yellow to go with the car (yellow vert). It was gorgeous!
But, I just am a pansie about not wanting the cops to suspect I have no emissions equipment hooked up. And I will check out the archives. Thanks!
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[Modified by USAsOnlyWay, 6:56 AM 3/22/2003]
Yeah pretty much, I was also thinking it might be less pull on the engine and minor things like that... but yeah if it doesn't work I'm sure I could just disconnect stuff. Thanks.
:seeya
Yeah, I agree the elim kit does make it look quite a bit cleaner. I first saw it in a friend of mine's vette along w/yellow SR, black headers/valvecovers/elim kit etc... The whole engine was done up in black and yellow to go with the car (yellow vert). It was gorgeous!
But, I just am a pansie about not wanting the cops to suspect I have no emissions equipment hooked up. And I will check out the archives. Thanks!
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[Modified by USAsOnlyWay, 6:56 AM 3/22/2003]
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
I gutted mine years ago w/ no probs. Take it apart ,knock out the cardboardlike wafers and clean it up . Then reinstall and free spin and it cost
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
This is a good project for when you have nothing else to do. It will lighten the load on your front tires by 3-4 ounces (the weight of the vanes in the pump) and reduce the parasitic accessory drive load by 3-5 hp. While your at it, you might consider removing the altenator. IT sucks more power than the smog pump, and the cops won't care about it. Then there's the water pump. There are electric water pumps. How about an electric driven altenator? Seriously, it could provide an very minor advantage. At least it'll keep you out of the bar for an afternoon. Have fun, and...
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (CFI-EFI)
Unfortunately I have other stuff to do.. . .
But I am going to gut the air pump for sure....
The other stuff I have to do, my serpentine belt is off!!!! :confused: :confused:
Just on the AIR pump everywhere else is fine, it is threading one notch up and so it is off just a little....
how should I correct this?
Can I move the tensioner, reset it and see if that works?
Help!!! I know its OT but TIA!
But I am going to gut the air pump for sure....
The other stuff I have to do, my serpentine belt is off!!!! :confused: :confused:
Just on the AIR pump everywhere else is fine, it is threading one notch up and so it is off just a little....
how should I correct this?
Can I move the tensioner, reset it and see if that works?
Help!!! I know its OT but TIA!
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
Does the belt stay on correctly when you are doing normal driving and only comes off if you go for a few WOT runs? Mine did that on the AC compressor for some bizarre reason. I fixed it be going with the next smaller sized Gates belt. It was 5mm shorter. I had to loop it over the alt pulley since it was the smallest pulley, but I have not had a problem with it since. I did also replace the idler pulley at the same time since the idler pulley was near frozen. Im not saying that will fix the problem you have, but it helped mine. Good luck.
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
You might want to make sure ALL the belt driven accessory bolts are tight. This includes the fan pulley nuts. Anything loose could throw off the belt alignment. I have had the bearings in the idler go bad. If the pulley has play, consider addressing that. Good luck, and...
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[EDIT]PS. Even with all the accessorys tight, a bad bearing in something other than the idler could cause an alignment problem, too. If needed a front bearing for that smog pump, ought to fairly inexpensive, and you'll have it apart, to boot.
[Modified by CFI-EFI, 7:26 PM 3/22/2003]
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[EDIT]PS. Even with all the accessorys tight, a bad bearing in something other than the idler could cause an alignment problem, too. If needed a front bearing for that smog pump, ought to fairly inexpensive, and you'll have it apart, to boot.
[Modified by CFI-EFI, 7:26 PM 3/22/2003]
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (CFI-EFI)
Hmm, I am going to check all the bolts tonight. . .
and its like this all the time. . .
looks like I might be doing some repair/gutting. . .
Luckily though, the I am also putting the tranny in today so I am still not in too much of a rush to get it back out. . .
I'll get back to you guys on how things turn out tonight, thanks for all the help so far! :grouphug:
P.S. Really quite disturbing that that little smiley group is called "grouphug" I always thought it was huddle. . .well time to go look at car and feel manly again. . . :lol:
and its like this all the time. . .
looks like I might be doing some repair/gutting. . .
Luckily though, the I am also putting the tranny in today so I am still not in too much of a rush to get it back out. . .
I'll get back to you guys on how things turn out tonight, thanks for all the help so far! :grouphug:
P.S. Really quite disturbing that that little smiley group is called "grouphug" I always thought it was huddle. . .well time to go look at car and feel manly again. . . :lol:
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
Electrically driven alternator? I really hope that was a joke. :smash:
What effect will gutting the air pump have on emissions? I could use the search function... but
[Modified by CentralCoaster, 12:50 AM 3/23/2003]
What effect will gutting the air pump have on emissions? I could use the search function... but
[Modified by CentralCoaster, 12:50 AM 3/23/2003]
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
I believe it is Honda that that is getting triple use out of the starter. After you start, the device is electrically converted to an alternator and in high throttle positions, it reverses and contributes to the power demand.
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (darkredlt1)
I believe it is Honda that that is getting triple use out of the starter. After you start, the device is electrically converted to an alternator and in high throttle positions, it reverses and contributes to the power demand.
As for effect on emission, it would do nothing different than unplugging and disconnecting I would geuss. Just it would be hopefully just a free spinning pulley that is lighter than a non gutted not so free spinning one...see post above that mention the non-parasitic improvement.
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
Unfortunately the laws of physics do not allow such a thing as an electrically driven alternator. You can't produce more electricity than it takes to turn it. If this were possible, electric cars would have been possible right after the Model T. In the case of the tri-mode Honda mentioned, it is still mechanically connected to the engines rotation much like the Volkswagon Beetle of years past which had a combo starter-generator.
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (USAsOnlyWay)
That is what I did with mine. One look at the price tag on that eliminator kit, and I figured gutting it is worth a try. I took the thing apart, took out the vanes, and reassembled. Works fine.
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (arbee)
Electrically driven alternator? I really hope that was a joke.
Unfortunately the laws of physics do not allow such a thing as an electrically driven alternator. You can't produce more electricity than it takes to turn it. If this were possible, electric cars would have been possible right after the Model T. In the case of the tri-mode Honda mentioned, it is still mechanically connected to the engines rotation much like the Volkswagon Beetle of years past which had a combo starter-generator.
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Re: Crazy air pump idea....possible? (CFI-EFI)
If you don't KNOW the law would it work sort of like the bee and the hummingbird?
Just a thought.....
Tighten your seat belts!
We are approaching.....[b]perpetual motion /b]
Just a thought.....
Tighten your seat belts!
We are approaching.....[b]perpetual motion /b]