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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 05:33 AM
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Default Re: Terry is an idiot! (CorvetteZ51Racer)

Not on this thread, and I haven't seen it anywhere else. But that stuff aside, it seems as though everyone here except for Terry and 396 have heard all they need to hear, I know I have, and it seems now like it's just a p!$$ing contest between the two. Can I be the first to request that you guys take your argument offline? All you're doing now is taking up bandwidth and hurting BOTH of your respective credibilities.
:iagree: Well put. :seeya
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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 10:57 AM
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Just read this whole thread... and not sure on what the whole truth is, but doesn't really matter, such a small item.... not enough to get worked up over I guess. But in any regards, I hope both of you work it out.

Terry,

On a seperate subject, I'm sure I speak for many and that is while you're here on the forum, stick around and contribute on occasion if you have the time. This forum is an incredible resource and potential customer base.
There are so many people new to racing and have performance related questions that need to be answered not just by hobby racers like myself, but also Tuners who do it for a living. Do a search on the keyword "Miniram" or "MR" or "Miniram vs Superram" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

For example, It is widely thought that the Miniram is more of a dedicated race intake and feel the MR will cost them too much torque under 4500 rpm, thus they chose the LPE Superram.... is this true, I dunno, but would love to hear the comments of TPIS and any customer result examples.

Also will the 700-701 solid roller cam work well with a 383 & Superram manifold in your opinion ? You have a couple of motors on this forum that cam is working well with... but they're 406/Superram combinations.

One more question.... Are you guys working on anything new for the L98 or LT-1 or are you pretty much in the LS-1 mode nowadays?

Hope you stick around.

Cheers,
Beach Bum
I will try to help out from time to time, it is hard this time of year. I usually get time around Octobor-December when things slow down. It seems a lot of people think I am just pushing parts when I do. And a lot of questions can be better, and more efficiently answered over the phone. But I do look around when there is time.

As far as torque and the Mini-Ram goes: It is very similar in design to the factory LT1 intake, If you had a 350, ZZ-409 cam, AFR head on a LT1, and the same setup on a std SBC with a Mini-Ram,you would probably only see 10-15 more HP with the Mini-Ram, due to more plenum volume. Not much of a difference. And if you look at stock LT1 cars, some came with 2.73 gears and automatics, they do not have a problem with torque. So no it is not a dedicated "Race" intake, Or a dedicated stroker intake.

Yes the 700-701 cam will work good with a SuperRam, but a 406 Super Ram will not out perform a Mini-Ram, it still has too long of runner to make the RPM/HP you would want. RPM is HP, shorter runner=more rpm, it is that simple.

We are still building a lot of L-98 and LT1 motors, just pulled a 396 LT1 off the dyno this morning. We have a great new solid roller cam for a 383-402 Ci LT1/L-98 Mini-Ram motor. The last two LT1 396's with this cam made 550HP with a 210cc comp. port AFR head, 11.5:1 c/r, 58mm T/B, and the cam is a 244/250 .604/.608 on a 112LSA. Works really nice, and still streetable.

I will try to get back as the phones permit, otherwise email us or phone us with any questions you may have.

Thank You,

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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 01:15 AM
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Default Re: Terry is an smart, intelligent, good looking guy. (plastic1)

TPIS really does blow. Myself, and 2 other friends bought L98 minirams from them, and they know about the problems with the miniram. The bent fuel lines they sell with the install kit are horrible and barely clear the TPS sensor, what a waste. The water neck on all 3 intakes had to be cut and re-welded just to make them fit, and I called them to tell them about it, but someone said' what do you expect me to do about it over the phone?'. Butthole.

I spend all this cash, and they know parts don't fit correctly, that blows.

They also sent me the wrong fittings with my miniram, and didn't send the throttle bracket either until I called them.

One friend with one of the minirams got clueless and useless results from their chip burning guy. Car would always run rich, and I told him to tell the guy to lower the ve% in the lower ve tables, but they acted like they didn't know what he was talking about. :crazy: We finally started burning our own chips and fixed the problem. They also couldn't figure out how to stop his convertor from locking up in 3rd gear, we fixed it ourselves. :mad

We both have afpr's that the diaphram has ruptured in, and they said to buy a stock lt1 regulator and put their afpr hat back on it since it was just a stock lt1 regulator anyway. :eek:

They really do suck. I won't buy anything from them again, and my friends won't either. Everytime we called, we got nothing but attitude, and we are all paying customers. :U
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 07:31 AM
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WOW! ... I guess I wasn't the only one missing parts and getting the attitude on the phone. I'm sure Terry will reply that your post is all BS ... his credibility is going down the tubes big time!!! What's your excuse this time Terry? :confused:

How many unsatisfied TPIS customers is that now??? ... coincidence? ... NO! :nono:
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 08:21 AM
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i also had a bad experiance i while back with a underdrive pully set, on the webpage it said the belt was included, when i got the parts, there was no belt included?...i called them directions in hand and they told me that i needed no belt for my setup that is why it was not included,,,,so i had them read the directions with me and it clearly stated in them that i would need a new belt, it even listed a part # for the belt to buy :rolleyes:, since they advertised the pully including the belt i felt they should give me one,,,,,the basicly said sorry, even thou we said it was included we wont send you one :mad .......that is when they lost me as a customer,,,,,most of there stuff is somebody elses anyway, just reboxed and doubled in price..............
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 12:27 PM
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This will be my last post on this one as well. I can't believe how out of hand this issue got. If I took 396's attitude every time I bought a used Holley, or edelbrock, or whatever, back when I had my '71, then I would be trying to put Jeg's, Summit, Holley or Edelbrock out of business. Once I buy something used, I am accountable. Any vendor help is gravy. Quite honestly, I think the original point is a bit unreasonable, and it sounds to me a little like a spoiled child trying to get something for nothing.

I will state one more time - I have a very high regard for TPIS. Like some of the others, yes I have had to call back a few times, or ask for help, or try a chip more than once, but they have always been very good to me. I mean, come on, you've never had to call back Jeg's or Summit? They've never shipped you the wrong thing? That happens to me all the time. Let's be realistic. At least TPIS races and uses their own stuff!!! Those guys are gear-heads just like me and I will continue to support their business.

Lastly, it seems to me that there have been plenty of posts on this string supporting TPIS like me. Accordingly, I would encourage other Forum participants who read this whole string to judge for themselves. At least give TPIS a chance and then you can make your own determination.

Just remember guys it's all about Vettes - Corvettes Rule!! :thumbs:
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 01:46 PM
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I have never had a problem with Tpis. Ordered there spring kit and they where very helpfull.
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:38 PM
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Quite honestly, I think the original point is a bit unreasonable, and it sounds to me a little like a spoiled child trying to get something for nothing.

Just remember guys it's all about Vettes - Corvettes Rule!! :thumbs:
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And to think someone would waste their 15 minutes of fame on this, and if time were money, and it is, more money was wasted trying to be right.

Signing off of this topic, ,,,, :sleep:
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:39 PM
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I've been following this thread with some interest as I have been thinking about a ZZ-9 cam, etc. for my L98 but don't think the main thread issue needs more comment by me.

However, I will say that quality of parts as well as customer service realy matters. When I respond to posts I sometimes laud parises upon a vendor who has realy come through for me; and I don't hesitate to comment on quality of a part if it wasn't up to specs.

I believe most of us will buy a quality part that gets the job done even if the price is a little higher than that of alternative parts.

Lets hope that our vendors maintain a good Q/A arm and lets hear about it when they don't. That way we can help them keep on top of quality as we benefit in the long run as well.
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 03:31 PM
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Until 396Roadster comes up with an invoice for his 2nd miniram, I'm going to call :bs on this entire post. His attitude is no better than Terry's here and he has done nothing to prove he bought one from them in the first place.

On the other hand, I'm not real pleased with some of Terry's comments and can't condone his attitude either. I have bought their headers and 52mm TB and had no problems whatsoever...

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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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I've talked to the guys at TPIS, and bought a few things from them also. A ZZ-9 cam, and valve springs, also a MiniRam and fuel rail kit. They were pleasant to talk to on the phone, and very helpful with my questions. When my fuel lines didn't mate up to the manifold I emailed them, and we worked out a refund on just the fuel lines. No hassles or arguments.
If I could have found a supplier for the MiniRam cheaper than TPIS I would have bought it, but I thought they were the only ones to get NEW ones from. So I finally bit the bullet and bought one after several years of wanting one. Glad I did too. TPIS will continue to get business from me.

I hope the parties involved finally work this out in a civilized manner.
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 10:04 PM
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On the other hand, I'm not real pleased with some of Terry's comments and can't condone his attitude either.

I have absolutely no problem with Terry's replies on this thread. If I read through all the posts publicly ripping me apart, I would have come out swinging harder than he did.
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 10:20 PM
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I've heard of many of their cams being way off.
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Old Jun 15, 2003 | 01:01 AM
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TASTES GREAT!!!
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Old Jun 15, 2003 | 10:40 AM
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Forget everthing else. Whats this crap about sending out cams that are out of wack!!! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!! :mad For the average backyard mechanic a cam swap is a big deal.If I took the time to tear everything off the front of the car to do the swap ,and it didn't run right, I would be livid :mad :mad The worst part is,the last place I would look is at the new $375 cam!!!!!!I would probaly drop more money on a reprogram first.Then second guess the whole combo. :rolleyes:
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Old Jun 15, 2003 | 11:53 AM
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I have absolutely no problem with Terry's replies on this thread. If I read through all the posts publicly ripping me apart, I would have come out swinging harder than he did.
I agree... if it was me I would have done the same thing. However, this is a representative of a business we are talking about, and I feel he could have worded his posts in a more professional manner. I'm sure he was steaming at the time (who wouldn't be?) and wanted to give his side of the story. I just feel he could have used a little more tact.

This thread won't stop me from doing more business with them though...

Mike
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Old Jun 15, 2003 | 07:41 PM
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I'm not sure publicly calling someone a liar is the best of ideas when you're representing a company.

Maybe "I'm sorry, but we're unable to help you due to policy" or something. And then include ways to become within policy, like asking for an invoice. Much better than saying "You're a liar! Otherwise show an invoice!"
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Old Jun 15, 2003 | 10:41 PM
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Until 396Roadster comes up with an invoice for his 2nd miniram, I'm going to call on this entire post. His attitude is no better than Terry's here and he has done nothing to prove he bought one from them in the first place.
You have not followed the thread have you?

Mike in Boston...you can help here...just post what intake you sold him and if it in fact had welded fittings on the rails.

Terry...you seemed to ignore the fact he is not using the intake Mike sold him...as evidenced by his head combination.

You also ignored the fact that your company told him a bad part number...which was the whole reason he called and spoke to you in this case. That simple and seemingly unobtrusive fact is the sole issue that puts the responsibility to help back in the court of TPIS. You refused this obligation.

Terry..one other thing, you judged him without full knowledge of what he has.

In business, the best policy is to go the extra mile when you dont have too. Calling someone a liar is NEVER a good business policy...even if they are.

Terry, be glad I am not the president of TPIS...I would fire you for a bad attitude...and I wouldnt give a rats butt about wether you are technically correct or not! Your just crying because your president made you look stupid.
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Old Jun 15, 2003 | 11:06 PM
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You also ignored the fact that your company told him a bad part number...which was the whole reason he called and spoke to you in this case. That simple and seemingly unobtrusive fact is the sole issue that puts the responsibility to help back in the court of TPIS. You refused this obligation.


I have to agree on this point no matter what the others say. When the vendor tells a customer to buy something incorrect and they do, and now have to EAT the parts, then I believe the VENDOR should step and grab the bull by the ***** and make it right.
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Old Jun 16, 2003 | 04:06 AM
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I really don't know what to say about all of this. I don't suppose my opinion matters much anyway.

I have to say, let go of the fact that Chris gave out the wrong part number. Jeez, people are making such a big deal about that. He is human, and made a mistake, damn! Hasn't anyone here ever made a mistake? Why don't we all drive up to Minnesota, drag Chris outside, and beat the $45.00 out of him!! Will that help? Hell no!!

Until 396roadster posts the invoice I have my doubts about what he is claiming here. It seems funny that 396roadster has has ignored many requests to post the invoice. Does it even exist? Hmm....

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