No need to sugar-coat, tell us how you really feel. My industry has contracted by 50% due to Chinese competition. They are building circuit boards faster than ever AND losing money (dumping?). Has hurt me financially to the tune of about 30% per year because of plant closures / glut of qualified employees. I bought Goodyears instead of Kumhos for obvious reasons. I would pay double for American made electronics if there were such a thing.

Politicians can only steal the big bucks when they are in office (except for Kissinger and he wasn't elected). Send your representatives an email and tell them straight up, "Either support American Manufacturing or I will vote against you!" Also, vote with your wallets whenever possible. We have no right to complain about trade practices if we don't buy American whenever possible.

Sorry, touchy subject for me. BTW, I think Perot sold EDS years ago.

 

I remember that statement very clearly.

That giant sucking sound has hit the Company that I work for very hard. Earlier this week management anounced that they are going to send our finishing/inspection operations to Mexico, this is on top of all of the other continuous cutbacks and other operations that have already been sent to Mexico.

It is a lot more profitable to pay someone in Mexico a couple of peso's & give them a company mule to ride around on vs paying the big American wages.

Sad but true.

 

Well we can get cheap parts for awhile then if the country gets out of control, just start slapping import taxes on everything. That will even up the competition.


:seeya

 

So let's see if we can draw up a list of jobs that will be available to us:

* Working at Walmart for $6/hour
* Filling cokes at Disney for $6/hour
* Waiter/bus boy for $6/hour
* Mechanic -Charge $60/hour but get paid $15-$20
* Doctor/Dentist/etc
* Truck Driver
* Civil Service
* Own your own business and pay others $6/hour.
* Politician - got to be a lieing cheating scum bag
* Salesman - (car, etc) got to be a lieing cheating scum bag (well for the most part)
* Trashman/Janitor - nope the illegals fill these
* Lawn Mower - nope the illegals fill these
* Construction worker - nope the illegals fill these
* Begger/Vagrant/Druggie/Drug Dealer
* Go on Welfare
* Criminal / CEO
* Be an outsourcer http://cnnfn.emailthis.clickability....ToID=180053007

Not much of a future for our children is there?

Got any others to add?

 

I don't think people really understand that our standard of living is based on a global economy and global competition. Without the global manufacturing of goods, the inflation at home would be overwhelming, and send this country into a major depression. One of the major sources of inflation in the '70s was labor disputes and the manufacture of goods thus increasing prices while putting people out of work (this anomaly was called stagflation) which leg to the push of outsourcing in the '80s and economic recovery. Without a global economy, we would have two choices. Either the standard of living across the board would have to drastically change or we would have a society of poor who made the goods, and a society of wealthy who consumed the goods. As a middle class American, I have a house, cars, electronics, nice clothes, and whatever I need. But what would happen if I had to pay a lot more for food, for clothes, and electronics, autoparts, and cars were two to three times as expensive all on a $42,000 a year income with a child? Basically, I would be living in an apartment. I may be able to buy one or two $50 shirts a year...a couple of pairs of pants. I would have to get rid of my toys because it would cost too much to operate them, and I would have a basic 19" T/V. It is all relative, and a global economy is a good thing. Now, as a person with a Master's in Management as well as a background in global economics, I would definitely say that over-reving the global economy without checks and balances can lead to harmful consequences. ...But, the Pat Buchanan's and Ross Perots of the country would not do us any favors.

 

yes, while some of that may be true. Eventually the local wages are then under a downward pressure because of the low overseas labor. Or else the jobs move overseas. I have trouble understanding how over the long term unemplyment and cheap goods will benefit the us. Eventually the standard of living in the us will be reduced to the point where the standard of living in poorer trade partners will be elevated. The us is basically funding building of industrial power and the transfer of wealth to foreign countries. We loose they gain. Its a simple concept.

Not to mention China who keeps their currency low against the dollar so they are basically dumping the cheap products on the world market. Not to mention that there are no green laws there. Chinas industy pollutes more that all of the us autos ever could.

yeah i went to college too. cfo of investment company. Ross had it right about that big sucking sound.

Paul :reddevil

 

Oh great, another bean counter that has his head stuck up some text book.

Wake up and smell the crapola - there will soon be only rich and poor - no middle class.

I am starting to put all the MBA, bean counter types and HR directors up there with the politicians, used car sales men and CEO's.

 

I bet the original poster never imagined this post would turn this ugly.
:lurk:

 

i agree ...CEO"s, HR directors, and most upper management people are self centered scum of the earth who should be ashamed of thier values of treating their own workers!! it isn't hard to tell in this topic who has money and who is actually working thier *** off to keep what they have!!!
corporate america and everything it stands for make me :U

this country is so f$%# up because of you bean counter numbers guys that you have managed to sell out our quality of life just so you can make afew extra bucks for yourself!! hope your proud!! but as long as you get a big kickback or a bigger bonus and some incentives and a 10% raise( more than i have got in the last 5 years... then what the hell right?? :mad :mad

 

So how about them radiator caps? :lol:

 

Before you guys start calling me a bean counter, and everything else that was posted, it might be nice to know the person first. I am an IT guy working my way up the ranks, who really wants to be a history teacher since my background is in History and American Government with 10 years of experience in legislative research, but I, being a single parent, had to find the best way to support my three year old son so I went with computers and I work in this capacity for a state legislature. But, more importantly, I have worked in the legislative process, drafted legislation, and done the leg work of all that so many or so fast to criticize. Instead of criticizing, get involved, you will find that policy development is not so easy. Finally, I got a master's in IT management because I needed the extra money to, once again, provide for my three year old. Given my split IT/Management degree choice, I had to learn the business side of things, including international law, so as to create an opportunity for myself to make a little more money...not my real enjoyment but it is beneficial to my son. If I had the choice, I would teach kids about the history of their country and build hot rods on the side...my retirement goal.

There is an opinion for every person out there, and that is what makes up liberty and the land we live in, and all are entitled to them. There are a million sides to Globalism from moral objections to protectionist feelings of blue color workers. I imagine that I am somewhere in the middle. But, whether we like it or not, we live in one world that is growing smaller each day. This is upon us...we can either run and hide...or position ourselves to be around in the next generation. To fail is to stick our head in the sand and hope it all goes away. And, whether you want to admit it or not...are standard of living is based on globalism. If we tried to satisfy all of our needs at home, pay high wages, kept prices down; it would have to be government forced which doesn't work. It was tried...it is called communism, and it failed. The sucking sound you here is our freedoms being pulled away almost on a daily basis.

For those of you who felt it necessary to flame me; I really don't care...I am going to go work on my Vette...maybe one of my f-bodies, and have a fun evening...Chow!

 

Just to show you how fair life is, I heard a couple of weeks ago that GE layed off a couple hundred layers in one of their legal departments. They sent the work to India too. So even my other favorite occupation is not immune. Heard this one on Kudlow and Cramer, from, you guessed it, a nice Indian gentlement that manages rich people dough. Don't get me wrong, seemed like he was a nice guy and also was very bold in saying this golobalization was going too far. Too much 'professional' work being sent to India, Russia, Eastern Europe and China.

Now how do lawyers in India know US law? Well maybe it was contracts dealing with all those Indian outsourcing deals! :lolg:

I cannot wait till somebody figures out that there are CEO's over there that will work for less than $100 million.

 

Gentlemen. The big Unions Have done this to the USA of Ours, they have driven companys into the ground so that the workers get $25.00 hr pay for $10.00 to $15.00 hr jobs. :flag

 

i think you had better rethink this statement about unions.. right now there are fewer unions and union memebers than ever in the USA.. maybe if we had more of them and memebers we would not be making 10 dollars an hour while the company banks a few million dollars in after tax profit.. it's funny how every one wants to point the finger at the poor and middle class for the USA's problems but it's the rich that make laws and run the country :skep: and maybe just maybe if big buisness would not bank an extra million in thier pockets every year and would rewarded the workers that made them those millions then the standard of living and the quality of life in america would regain it's glory!! :flag but no instead big buisness has a plan to keep the hard working man down and only reward those who find ways of putting more money in thier pockets instead of sharing the wealth of the company with all of those who made that company profitable..plain and simple truth!!

i mean how many millions of dollars does one really need :confused:

 

Damn those radiator caps! They're the cause of all the World's problems.

 

Gee guys. Maybe that Ross Perot fellow was right about all this.

Hmmmm.

:(

 

When I take over the world, all Americans will get a million dollars. And we will make our own radiator caps right here in the USA.... yeah thats the ticket. :thumbs: