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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 03:24 PM
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I disassembled my springs on my #1 cylinder so far. I was unable to find the "oil shedders or shreaders" that everybody says to throw out. Is it in this pic and I'm just missing it?



Upon inspection of my valve stems, I am able to pick up the spring seat on the exhaust valve(see below) but the intake valve appear to have the seal preventing this.

My intake valve seal is the type which has the metal band going around it.

Are any of these I described an "umbrella" seal ?
Is my exhaust valve missing a seal?



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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 04:17 PM
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I disassembled my springs on my #1 cylinder so far. I was unable to find the "oil shedders or shreaders" that everybody says to throw out. Is it in this pic and I'm just missing it?
Yes! YOU are missing it, but it isn't missing. It is the stamped steel cup, barely to the right of center in your pic. It is between the spring and the retainer in the photo.
Upon inspection of my valve stems, I am able to pick up the spring seat on the exhaust valve(see below) but the intake valve appear to have the seal preventing this.
In your second photo, it appears that the item between your fingers, is the seal. The spring seat, is the part of the head that the spring seats into. It looks loke the exhaust seal is an "umbrella" type. The intake seal with the metal band is often refered to a "positive" type seal, because it is "positively" retained. It is however, a type of umbrella seal, as opposed to the "O" ring seals in the top valve stem grooves. Good luck, and...

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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 09:56 AM
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Thanks for clearing a few things up for me :thumbs:

In your second photo, it appears that the item between your fingers, is the seal.
That piece in my hand is made of all metal..........That's a seal?
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 10:35 AM
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That piece in my hand is made of all metal..........That's a seal?
I think the thing between your fingers is the spring seat. I can't get enough detail from the photos to see the seals, but it isn't uncommon for there to be a different seal on the intake vs. exhaust. And I don't have any experience w/ the "shedders".
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 10:57 AM
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"In your second photo, it appears that the item between your fingers, is the seal."

That piece in my hand is made of all metal..........That's a seal?
I used the word "appears" in my statement for good reason. It isn't clear as to what it is. Is it truely, ALL steel? No rubber or neoprene (sp) in the bore of the small end? A spring seat is where the spring seats. Amazing! Generally, the spring seats into an area simply machined into the head. Some engines have a stamped cup, similar the shedder, inserted into the spring pocket as a separate "spring seat". In the picture, the item between your fingers doesn't appear large enough in diameter to accept the spring. You might lay it on a white sheet of paper and try a few more photos. Good luck, and...

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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 11:52 AM
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Thanks again guys. I pulled the valve seal off of the intake valve (the one on the right) and after doing so it looked just like the exhaust set-up.

So in conclusion my exhaust valves have no seal. That metal piece in my hand is the spring seat, as my springs where sitting on top of it (and yes the diameter is wide enough for my 1.25" O.D. springs. I will however be putting new valve seals on both my intake and exhaust valves.

All the new parts should be in tomorrow for install.

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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 11:58 AM
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That piece in my hand is made of all metal..........That's a seal?
I'd call it a shim, but maybe some would call it a seat. Its main purpose is to put a piece of hard metal between the aluminum head and the spring so that the spring doesn't pound its way through the head. Those in combination with shims (or just multiple shims) are how you install a spring to its correct height.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 12:02 PM
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Agreed :thumbs: I have included with my other goodies coming in a spring shim kit from Comp Cams.
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Default Re: Valve Spring component questions (chucks88)

My engine was also equipped only with intake seals and NO seals on
exhaust.

I would strongly recommend you ( and I'm talking from my own expeience )
to either put new seals on all valve guides ( intake & exhaust )
or leave oil shedders where they are supposed to be.

When I did my heads and cam I also installed bigger valve springs
and I couldn't put oil shedders back on. I didn't put seals on
exhaust and now I have blue smoke on exhaust with warm engine.
I guess that too much oil gets to valve stem and into combustion
chambers.

It's true that I used old valves and guides but both are in very
good shape ( only 16000 miles on them ) and I had absolutely no
smoke or oil consumption before that.

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