Windage tray 383 stroker.
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Windage tray 383 stroker.
Just ran into the first problem with my 383 build up. I am running the stock bolts and stock windage tray and she hits. What are you guys using? This is a one piece remain seal.
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (Corvette0096)
I replaced the bollts in my main caps and used studs in their place. The ARP studs has stand offs for a windage tray and of course the stock tray would not fit. I used a moroso 23020 louvered tray which fits blocks with either dip stick location. Rich called me earlier on this about his engine so here you go Rich!
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (tjwong)
Would I be better off gettin a new pan with all the goodies? There one out there that will have no fitting issues with my headers and One piece rear main?
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (Corvette0096)
I am using studs also, but my windage tray attaches to my pan instead. My scraper is in there also. I am using a custom Kevko pan, but I believe there are alot of Canton pans on this forum.
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (kman0066)
Just remember if you replace the stock bolts with studs, you'll need an align hone.
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (Corvette0096)
Are you using the center studs that go with the particular windage tray you're using...I'm assuming you're using the OEM GM type...
On many 383's the windage tray will often have to be clearanced; the OEM ones in particular because they don't have studs that let you pick what height you want to set it at. I would suspect you're getting contact with the rod bolts, correct? Since you can't move the tray up we usually trim slots just big enough to clear the rods...
-Jeb
On many 383's the windage tray will often have to be clearanced; the OEM ones in particular because they don't have studs that let you pick what height you want to set it at. I would suspect you're getting contact with the rod bolts, correct? Since you can't move the tray up we usually trim slots just big enough to clear the rods...
-Jeb
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (jburnett)
You hit that one on the head. There a pan out there that has no cleareance issues with the 2149 and one piece rear main? That is the best way to do it?
[Modified by Corvette0096, 8:27 AM 12/16/2003]
[Modified by Corvette0096, 8:27 AM 12/16/2003]
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (Corvette0096)
Is the pan the problem?? That GM windage tray will/should fit in just about every oil pan from the piddly stock 5 qt. job up to big 8 qt. aftermarket pans.
Once you clearance the tray so the rod bolts will clear you shouldn't have to deal with any pan issues. Keep in mind that that windage tray and its studs are designed around a 3.48" stroke and you've added another .25" of stroke...If you'll measure how much protrusion you're rods are sticking through the tray you'll figure out it's almost exactly .25"...
-Jeb
Once you clearance the tray so the rod bolts will clear you shouldn't have to deal with any pan issues. Keep in mind that that windage tray and its studs are designed around a 3.48" stroke and you've added another .25" of stroke...If you'll measure how much protrusion you're rods are sticking through the tray you'll figure out it's almost exactly .25"...
-Jeb
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (Corvette0096)
I'm a little confused...
In the first post you say you have "stock bolts and pan".
Then you say you have studs and align hone?
If you replaced the bolts with studs, you need to re-align hone to the studs...
Now, for my 383, I used the Miloden Diamond Windage tray w/ARP studs.
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...41&prmenbr=361
I had to space it up slightly, but mostly had to heavily trim up the sides to make it clear the rods once the stock pan was on. I also bent the bottom of the dipstick a little to make it "skim" the tray instead of scraping it.
In the first post you say you have "stock bolts and pan".
Then you say you have studs and align hone?
If you replaced the bolts with studs, you need to re-align hone to the studs...
Now, for my 383, I used the Miloden Diamond Windage tray w/ARP studs.
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...41&prmenbr=361
I had to space it up slightly, but mostly had to heavily trim up the sides to make it clear the rods once the stock pan was on. I also bent the bottom of the dipstick a little to make it "skim" the tray instead of scraping it.
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (Corvette0096)
Just do what I said and trim the windage tray slightly for the rod bolts to clear... That will solve all of your problems. I use the Milodon Diamond scraper as well with ARP studs; but the ARP's are adjustable so you can move the tray up (or down) as you see fit and don't have to trim like you do the GM style tray.
-Jeb
-Jeb
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (Corvette0096)
Sorry fpr the confusion, The mains where line honed.
Apparently studs load the main caps differently and can cause mis-alignment/distortion problems.
It's always recommended that you do it that way; same thing with changing rod bolts; the rods should be re-sized.
Of course, like a lot of other things, there are those who don't go that extra mile. It may not always be a problem, but it's the chance you take if you opt not to have it done. Choose your poison.
Jake
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (jburnett)
Just do what I said and trim the windage tray slightly for the rod bolts to clear... That will solve all of your problems. I use the Milodon Diamond scraper as well with ARP studs; but the ARP's are adjustable so you can move the tray up (or down) as you see fit and don't have to trim like you do the GM style tray.
-Jeb
-Jeb
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Re: Windage tray 383 stroker. (Corvette0096)
Here's the solution
1) Take a big butt hammer and bnag/bend the little windage tray into shape
2) for an additional clearance add washers and use loctite to keep everything togehter
3) you will need to "clearance" the oil pan as well, install your pan to torque specs without using any sealant on the pan. #7/8 will definitely hit
HAND
The W
1) Take a big butt hammer and bnag/bend the little windage tray into shape
2) for an additional clearance add washers and use loctite to keep everything togehter
3) you will need to "clearance" the oil pan as well, install your pan to torque specs without using any sealant on the pan. #7/8 will definitely hit
HAND
The W
