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What exactly is the difference between mildly modified engines, and radically modified engines??

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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 07:02 PM
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What exactly is the difference between mildly modified engines, and radically modified engines?? I'm lookng at getting a new throttle body and I have to choose between a 52mm, and a 58mm. If I get a 58mm, what would be the effect on my engine if my engine is not radial enough, or if I have a mildly modified motor with 58mm? I am going to be adding hooker supercomp longtubes (2149s) and a hooker y-pipe, all coated inside and out. Also need to upgrade injectors, and like I said, upgrading the trottle body. Also, I still don't know what type of mufflers to get. I want it to sound mean at idle and at WOL, but I don't want alot of interior resonance when crusing. Any suggestions? thanks!
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 11:00 PM
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Default Re: What exactly is modified engines?? (darkman5001)

Unless you are doing a head/cam or stroker engine the stock throttle body will do fine. 58 mm TB's are rarely needed.
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 11:18 PM
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Unless you are doing a head/cam or stroker engine the stock throttle body will do fine. 58 mm TB's are rarely needed.
Yes and I don't think an injector change at this point will be of any benefit either. Have you considered a cam change (or at least some 1.6 RRs) and some programming?
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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Youll be hard pressed to use all the air a 52mm supplies with a TPI intake.
So you definitely wouldnt need a 58 until changing to a different intake, which is where I start to define 'radical'

I would call something with a ported plenum/runners, bigger base and some headwork to be 'mild'

You dont need bigger injectors. You probably do need new injectors or to have the stockers cleaned. Although going up to Ford SVO 24s and an AFPR is just fine if you decide to go that way. Stock is 22.

I like Power Effects mufflers, but they are unavailable until Mid-March at the earliest. They all have resonance somewhere though, but to different degrees. Corsas are unavailable for the L98.

Everyone here will have different definitions for mild and radical.
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 11:31 PM
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Yes and I don't think an injector change at this point will be of any benefit either. Have you considered a cam change (or at least some 1.6 RRs) and some programming?[/QUOTE]


Actually, before I bought my Vette, someone changed two of the injectors. The two that were changed don't even match the other six. Plus my car idles rough. I figure it can't hurt, considering the injectors are only $100 on SLP Performance.
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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 11:38 PM
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Actually, before I bought my Vette, someone changed two of the injectors. The two that were changed don't even match the other six. Plus my car idles rough. I figure it can't hurt, considering the injectors are only $100 on SLP Performance.
Okay, well if they NEED replaced go with Vader's recommendation then.
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[QUOTE]Youll be hard pressed to use all the air a 52mm supplies with a TPI intake.
So you definitely wouldnt need a 58 until changing to a different intake, which is where I start to define 'radical'

Well later on, I am planning on doing alot more engine work. What I am wondering is will it make the car run bad, or hurt anything if I just get a 58mm throttle boddy now, and use it with the above upgrades for a while? The 58mm is only like $20 more, and I don't want to buy something that I will need to upgrade again later on. My stock throttle body which is on the car now needs to be replaced. shaft worn and sticking.

You dont need bigger injectors. You probably do need new injectors or to have the stockers cleaned. Although going up to Ford SVO 24s and an AFPR is just fine if you decide to go that way. Stock is 22.

I wasn't going to put bigger than 25Ib injectors in. My old injectors don't match, from previous owners, and engine idles rough. I think it has a leaking or bad injector. If someone before me already changed 2 of them, which only god knows how long ago that was, then my guess is that the other 6 are probably shot too. Plus it looks like crap having 6 black injectors, and 2 fatter green injectors.
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Well later on, I am planning on doing alot more engine work. What I am wondering is will it make the car run bad, or hurt anything if I just get a 58mm throttle boddy now, and use it with the above upgrades for a while? The 58mm is only like $20 more, and I don't want to buy something that I will need to upgrade again later on. My stock throttle body which is on the car now needs to be replaced. shaft worn and sticking.
I wasn't going to put bigger than 25Ib injectors in.
Before you go off and spend a lot of money, you should decide what your ultimate power goals are. If you were to put a 58mm TB on your stock engine, you'll make it run worse than it already appears based on your description. Sometimes you can get away with upgrading in stages, and other times there are multiple pieces required to get the desired results that don't fare well with staged upgrades. I understand not wanting to upgrade something that you'll have to upgrade later, but you'll just end up doing all of those things that you planned to do "later" sooner when your car runs unlike your expectations.

If you can't fix the current TB that you have, you may consider buying a used one from Contemporary Corvettes or from other forum members selling them on this site.

I would go with vader on the injectors especially if you have 2 that are unmatched.

Do you research and you'll end up being really happy with the results.

Good luck!

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Well later on, I am planning on doing alot more engine work. What I am wondering is will it make the car run bad, or hurt anything if I just get a 58mm throttle boddy now, and use it with the above upgrades for a while? The 58mm is only like $20 more, and I don't want to buy something that I will need to upgrade again later on. My stock throttle body which is on the car now needs to be replaced. shaft worn and sticking.
Unless you're going to build a high compression stroker with big aftermarket heads and a lot of cam, etc. you'd be hard pressed to ever need a 58mm. About like putting a Holley Dominator on a stock 305........
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Well later on, I am planning on doing alot more engine work. What I am wondering is will it make the car run bad, or hurt anything if I just get a 58mm throttle boddy now, and use it with the above upgrades for a while? The 58mm is only like $20 more, and I don't want to buy something that I will need to upgrade again later on. My stock throttle body which is on the car now needs to be replaced. shaft worn and sticking.
You still wouldnt require a 58mm until you went with a 383+ engine and a Superram or Miniram, and even then with a camshaft and heads radical enough to require the 1000cfm of air the 58 pulls thru. The MAF only flows 700 or so cfm with the screens and fins removed, and the 52mm flows 750cfm.

You have to have something nasty to use 750cfm of air.

Youll risk idle problems and lose throttle response if you get a TB thats bigger than you need.
Get the 52.





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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:14 AM
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I run a 48mm TB on my stroker with good results! I think I read someplace that GM puts 48mm on the 502hp/502 Ram air big block crate engine!!
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Old Feb 9, 2004 | 09:29 AM
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:iagree:

The 58mm is definitely too big at this stage. You would probably end up pulling it and putting the stocker back on.
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