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Old Feb 20, 2004 | 12:03 AM
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the CC306 is amazingly good, considering how bad it is. the ramps are very slow, it has far too much low lift overlap, too much exhaust bias, etc. but it does work. the problem is the hit in drivability, emissions, and fuel economy. for those reasons you should consider something custom that will match the CC306 in outright power, but be better in all the other areas i mentioned.

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I Instant Messaged him a few hours ago saying

"I dont like the CC306 in a car with ported heads, especaily the LT1. It has exsesive exhuast durration and from what I understant bleeds off a lot of compression (something the LT1 LOVES)" It seems to work better than most cams with stock heads (espec on f-bodies) due to the LT1's poor exhuast... I've seen some dynocharts and some great results.
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Old Feb 20, 2004 | 12:08 AM
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OK with all that I've read about this cam stuff I feel :crazy: :crazy: :smash: :banghead:

I plan to use the 306 , but then I hear things like the fast rap speed and so on. Question I have is, how much does engine size effect the "effect" of the cam on idle, and daily use?

I hear it's loopy and bad for a 350, then a 383, or 396 person says It's not bad in my engine. Please help me understand.

Do most agree that this 306 cam is fine for a 383+ engine?
The larger stroke will cover some of it up, but why not the Xe series? or custom ground? Talk to the guys at combination motorsports. I think its less than $250 for a cam and they are VERY good at picking cams out/ grinding custom ones. http://www.cmotorsports.com
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Old Feb 20, 2004 | 07:10 AM
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OK with all that I've read about this cam stuff I feel :crazy: :crazy: :smash: :banghead:
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Old Feb 20, 2004 | 06:04 PM
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MTI did not want the 306 in my 396 as they removed quite a few from LT1's both 350's and 396's from unhappy customers.

XE 230/236 has worked well in my 396.
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Old Feb 20, 2004 | 07:37 PM
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Dean.. what are the rest of the spec's on that cam?
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Old Feb 20, 2004 | 07:49 PM
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I would figure you'd be closer to 400rw with that cam

DRAGRACR runs it I think
No DRAGRACR is running my old cam the GTP 6 cam. I think he made 415rwhp with an auto! The GTP 6 is bigger than the 306.

I have been a a few Camaro with the 306 cam. It pulls very hard.

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Old Feb 21, 2004 | 09:23 PM
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Here you go Doug:

Gross Valve Lift: 510 I 520E 1.5RR
Installed at 108 Intake Centerline
Duration at .050 230 I 236 E
Lobe Lift .3400 I 3470E
Lobe Seperation 112
Valve timing at .050 open int 7 BTDC
exh 54 BBOC
close 43 ABDC
2 ATOC
Duration at .006 Tappet Lift 281 I 288 exh

Comp Cams Part # 07-000-9 Engine :LT1/LT4
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Old Feb 21, 2004 | 10:23 PM
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Just a thought, if you put 1.7 RR with your Hot Cam you will have a 557 lift in/ex cam. The difference to a XE230/236 is basically the exta duration, 12 on the intake and 6 degrees on the exhaust. That is a good bit of duration on the intake and not much difference on the exhaust. Nathan Plemons has doen the 1.7 RR's with the hot cam and gained about 15rwhp(please check as it has been a while), and considering the amount of work to change the cam, the rockers would be asier, as your heads should already have good valve springs. Jsuta thought. Steve
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Thanks.. :cheers:

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Just a thought, if you put 1.7 RR with your Hot Cam you will have a 557 lift in/ex cam. The difference to a XE230/236 is basically the exta duration, 12 on the intake and 6 degrees on the exhaust. That is a good bit of duration on the intake and not much difference on the exhaust. Nathan Plemons has doen the 1.7 RR's with the hot cam and gained about 15rwhp(please check as it has been a while), and considering the amount of work to change the cam, the rockers would be asier, as your heads should already have good valve springs. Jsuta thought. Steve
Although the durration may be similar(and closer to that at .050 due to the faster ramp rate), the events such as IVO and IVC will occurr at different times i'm pretty sure. Also, dont forget about overlap.

I suggest going with the Xe 236/242. The 230/236 seems to spin to about 6500 in 383s, lower in a 396.
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Default Re: ?? CC306 and the LT4?? (TreyZ28)

Trey, What is IVO and IVC?
I dont think that the cam will be much different, as far as 1/4 mile times and HP/TQ. IMHO
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Ivo and IVC are Intake Valve Opening and Intake Valve Closing points.
there is also EVC and EVO.




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Thanks.
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here is something taken off another forum

rey: this was too long to PM, and I thought it might be of general interest. I will now go out on a limb and put my "LT1 Cam Selection Ideas" out for criticism/comment. Enough of vague talk, here's "how to do it".

You don't want any of the valve events too late or too early, but just right. Did you ever drive a car with a race cam on the street (or even in the pits)? You wouldn't like it.

There is no black magic here. Keep in mind, people have been experimenting with cams in NA SBC's for many years. It is well known what is too much cam, to narrow or too wide an LSA, etc. Stick with what works, unless you have the time and $$$ to experiment.

Here's the story on valve events.

IVC: most important 'cause it determines DCR.
EVC/IVO: important because of their effect on overlap.
EVO: least important (but not unimportant).

How to pick a cam for a HR NA LT1:

1. Chose IVC based on desired DCR. Aim for ~8.5-9:1 depending on what fuel is available, etc.

2. Decide how much overlap is needed based on the intended use. Rules of thumb for a NA SBC based on advertised duration for hydraulic roller cams:

Daily driver: ~50-60 degrees
High performance street: ~70-80 degrees
Race car, occasional street use: ~90 degrees or more

3. Chose an intake duration based on head flow and desired rpm range. Better heads need less intake duration to make hp and the converse. You can't compensate for poor heads with more intake duration beyond a point. Excessive duration will kill low end torque. In general, think of 270 degrees as "small" and 300 degrees as "large". Bigger motors can use more duration. Here are general guidelines for what constitutes a small, medium, or large intake lobe at 0.050" (correlate with the advertised durations above):

Small: 210-220 degrees at 0.050"
Intermediate: 220-230 degrees at 0.050"
Large: >230 degrees at 0.050"

4. Chose an LCA based on the following.

350 stock heads ~114
350 good heads ~112
stroker, good heads 108-110

5. Chose an exhaust duration based on exhaust flow and intake duration. If your heads have killer exhaust flow and a good exhaust system, exhaust and intake duration shuld be the same. Most LT1's need at least a couple of degrees more exhaust than intake duration.

Intake center line: not enought time to go into it now. Usually, 4 degrees of advance is good, which means on an LT1 that the cam is ground with an ICL 4 degrees less than the LSA.

Lift: get as much lift as you can "afford" within the limits of HR technology. More lift = more spring = more stress on the valve train = need for better parts = more $$$. Rule of thumb: limit lift on a street HR to ~0.600". If it's not a street car, use a SR.

Voila - you have a cam.

Note: much of this does not apply to blower or N2O optimized cams. N2O cams follow the above pretty well except that they need a lot more exhaust duration. Blower cars are quite different. The need more exhaust duration and less overlap as well as a later IVC point, depending upon the static CR and fuel used, etc.

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