anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor
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anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor
Anyone here using a 2bar or 3bar map sensor with thier supercharger or turbocharger. I was wanting to do a little more precise tuning with the supercharger and thought someone might be running a custom 2bar or 3bar chip.
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Re: anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor (new'92)
You cant just plug in a 2 or 3 bar MAP. You would either need a new ECM, or a very custom program which I am not sure exists yet. There are people working on a 2 bar map conversion for the 730 ECM right now at TGO.
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Re: anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor (new'92)
Anyone here using a 2bar or 3bar map sensor with thier supercharger or turbocharger. I was wanting to do a little more precise tuning with the supercharger and thought someone might be running a custom 2bar or 3bar chip.
How much difference would the 2 bar sensor make if you're not going to run more than 14.7PSI of boost (or 1 bar). How does it become a more precise tuning tool?
Ron
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Re: anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor (RonRed89)
Anyone here using a 2bar or 3bar map sensor with thier supercharger or turbocharger. I was wanting to do a little more precise tuning with the supercharger and thought someone might be running a custom 2bar or 3bar chip.
I believe that you can swap in the computer from a Cyclone or Typhoon which came standard with a 2bar MAP sensor, or any of the aftermarket ECUs (FAST, Accel, Electromotive) will work witha 2 or 3 bar MAP sensor.
How much difference would the 2 bar sensor make if you're not going to run more than 14.7PSI of boost (or 1 bar). How does it become a more precise tuning tool?
Ron
I believe that you can swap in the computer from a Cyclone or Typhoon which came standard with a 2bar MAP sensor, or any of the aftermarket ECUs (FAST, Accel, Electromotive) will work witha 2 or 3 bar MAP sensor.
How much difference would the 2 bar sensor make if you're not going to run more than 14.7PSI of boost (or 1 bar). How does it become a more precise tuning tool?
Ron
ARe you saying it is unnessasary to run a 2 bar map sensor if you are not running high boost?
Do you think I could benefit from it?
Paul
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Re: anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor (zelement)
ARe you saying it is unnessasary to run a 2 bar map sensor if you are not running high boost?
Do you think I could benefit from it?
Do you think I could benefit from it?
Unless you're running 14.7PSI or more, the mapping provided by a 1 Bar sensor (0-100kPa) should be sufficient. I'll defer to some of the people here actually running high boosted cars, but think that they will also agree.
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Re: anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor (RonRed89)
I believe that you can swap in the computer from a Cyclone or Typhoon which came standard with a 2bar MAP sensor, or any of the aftermarket ECUs (FAST, Accel, Electromotive) will work witha 2 or 3 bar MAP sensor.
Their are 3 bar calibrations for 749 Syclone/Typhoon ECM The issue with swapping in a different map sensor into a 1 bar code is the map sensor is the essential load input. In my 749 I have 12 different table than would be need to be rescaled (reference either MAP vs Load). These table include the big ones, Timing and fueling. It may affect other calculations, ie you need to go though the the ECM code to see what could be affected by changing the map.
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Re: anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor (RonRed89)
How much difference would the 2 bar sensor make if you're not going to run more than 14.7PSI of boost (or 1 bar). How does it become a more precise tuning tool?
Ron
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Re: anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor (ANTI VENOM)
BTW techincally 1 bar is 14.5 psi (1 atmosphere is 14.7psi )
A 3 bar will read upto 29 Psi and 2 bar 14.5psi and 1 bar will not read any boost.
A 3 bar will read upto 29 Psi and 2 bar 14.5psi and 1 bar will not read any boost.
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Re: anyone using 2bar or 3bar map sensor (ANTI VENOM)
It is my understanding that 14.7 pounds of boost is 1 bar above atmoshpere, but it would be 2 bar from 14.7" of vacuum. The 1 bar map sensor would be maxed out at any pressure over atmosphere, therefore you will need a 2 bar map to read up to 14.7 pounds of boost and a 3 bar to read up to approx. 28 pounds.
