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I read in a performance book that 84 and up came with forged pistons. Anyone know if this is true? I have the L98 out my 86 and am shopping for pistons. I was leaning toward hypereutectic.
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St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07
Originally Posted by lefoy84
I read in a performance book that 84 and up came with forged pistons. Anyone know if this is true? I have the L98 out my 86 and am shopping for pistons. I was leaning toward hypereutectic.
Hypers are fine for most street engines as long as you're not going to force feed or bottle feed it.
The 1984 and 1985 engines had forged pistons. The 1986 iron headed engine used a different part number piston. I don't know if those are cast, cast hyper, or forged. The '86 iron heads were the same as the '84-'85, therefore it was either a compression ratio change, a change in materials, or both.
I keep hearing from builders that KB's are junk, take that however you want. I would probably go with forged, hyper is a little tougher than cast but not a great improvement.
I keep hearing from builders that KB's are junk, take that however you want. I would probably go with forged, hyper is a little tougher than cast but not a great improvement.
The thing I like about hypers is that they can be set with .002 clearance.
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St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07
Originally Posted by lefoy84
The thing I like about hypers is that they can be set with .002 clearance.
What are your overall goals for the engine, HP and intended usage? My machinist, a respected shop who does a lot of work for local racers here in Nascar country, admitted than when he first used hypers, he set them up like any other piston and had failures. He then contacted KB and found out where he went wrong and since then has had no problems and recommends them in suitable applications. The critical thing on them is top ring gap and if not set wide enough, it will destroy the piston in short order.
What are your overall goals for the engine, HP and intended usage? My machinist, a respected shop who does a lot of work for local racers here in Nascar country, admitted than when he first used hypers, he set them up like any other piston and had failures. He then contacted KB and found out where he went wrong and since then has had no problems and recommends them in suitable applications. The critical thing on them is top ring gap and if not set wide enough, it will destroy the piston in short order.
My eventual goal is a 325 HP street engine that I can stand on occasionally. No racing.
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St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07
Originally Posted by lefoy84
My eventual goal is a 325 HP street engine that I can stand on occasionally. No racing.
The hypers would do nicely for you. The LT4 puts out 350 or more stock (w/ hypers) and many people mod the hell out of the top ends and run well over 400 HP with them. There's certainly nothing wrong with forged pistons but nice (light) ones are so damn expensive anymore. My next level of improvements should put me over 400 CHP and I'm not easy on it when I want to enjoy it, but I worry more about dropping a valve or something than I do piston failure.
For a long time in the 60's GM used forged TRW's in their HP engines. The only 'problem' I had with any of mine was a very occcational piston slap at startup. As soon as the engine warmed up, the noise went away. This was fairly common with forged pistons. I remember the first time it happened, it scared the crap out of me.
The 1984 and 1985 engines had forged pistons. The 1986 iron headed engine used a different part number piston. I don't know if those are cast, cast hyper, or forged. The '86 iron heads were the same as the '84-'85, therefore it was either a compression ratio change, a change in materials, or both.
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As a new member and a new Vette owner, I am interested in finding out what I have in my "new" '84. What heads do I have and what cc are they? The car is stock at present. Thanks.
As a new member and a new Vette owner, I am interested in finding out what I have in my "new" '84. What heads do I have and what cc are they? The car is stock at present. Thanks.
Your 1984 came with the infamous L83, Crossfire engine. Underneath the much maligned intake system is a medium performance 350 Chevy, 2 bolt main, long block. The heads are the cast iron, "624", with 76 cc combustion chambers. The flat top forged pistons have a valve clearance "trough" running most of the way across the piston top. Those piston and heads combine to give you a 9.0:1 compression ratio. The flat tappet, hydraulic, camshaft is equally, unexciting. It CAN be improved upon.
We have used the Kieth Blacks in a few motors since 1997. The clearances have varied between .0015 and .003. At .002 and greater they make a ton of noise that doesn't go away when warm. In January they sound like a diesel! I haven't been able to break them yet but the noise makes me nuts. Just thought I would share this info. I would use them again but not in a street car ( especially a vette).
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St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07
Originally Posted by Pete K
We have used the Kieth Blacks in a few motors since 1997. The clearances have varied between .0015 and .003. At .002 and greater they make a ton of noise that doesn't go away when warm. In January they sound like a diesel! I haven't been able to break them yet but the noise makes me nuts. Just thought I would share this info. I would use them again but not in a street car ( especially a vette).
Mine are all .0015-.002 and I've had no problem with noise, cold or otherwise. That's about the optimum spec for most purposes if memory serves.