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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 10:22 AM
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Posted same question in General Discussion, then realized this might be the better Forum. Thanks. :o

My ’85 Coupe smells rich, yet it just passed smog with flying colors. Occasionally white smoke comes out of both exhaust pipes upon startup (usually after a short run to the 7-11). This doesn’t happen every time. No smoke on startup after sitting overnight or for moderate period of time or during runs. Not burning oil. It’s a SOCAL car so not starting up in extreme cold. The top end was rebuilt about 30,000 miles ago. Compression is good. Engine runs smooth and strong at idle and under acceleration.

Should I be concerned? I just bought the car a couple of weeks ago. Are these new fandangled additives like z-max worth considering or are they junk science? What about Lucas products which seem to be sold at truck stops & now the higher-end automotive retail stores? Freaking out – the previous owner maintained the car religiously, but it does have 160,000 freeway miles on it.

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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 10:43 AM
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Valve stem seals probably. Mine acted exactly the same until I replaced them.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 11:53 AM
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White smoke is actually steam, indicating coolant getting into the combustion chambers. Your's doesn't sound serious, yet. Keep a close eye on the coolant level. It could be an intake manifold gasket or a head gasket.

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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 12:49 PM
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A byproduct of combustion is water and that's why there are weep holes at the rear of the stock mufflers. Depending on temp and humidity, a little white smoke, on startup is normal - it's just steam. Don't worry about it unless there's a coolant loss and even then, there will be other signs, like a less than perfect idle and poor performance if it's sucking coolant.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 06:14 PM
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With all due respect to the senior members, white exhaust smoke is not technically steam but water vapor, a product (not a byproduct) of combustion (perfect combustion yields CO2 and water). And in your case, the water likely originated in the combustion chamber where it should have. Imperfect combustion (which is what we live with) yields about 200 other things, mostly bad. That's why there're catalytic converters and EGR valves. Cool pipes and/or cool ambient air temperature can allow the water vapor to appear until things heat up - happens all the time here in the Northeast, particularly in spring and fall. If coolant is leaking into the combustion chambers, you will continue to make smoke after warmup; just sniff the exhaust - your nose will tell you if there's coolant in the vapor.
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Originally Posted by Old182
With all due respect to the senior members, white exhaust smoke is not technically steam but water vapor, a product (not a byproduct) of combustion (perfect combustion yields CO2 and water).
What is steam? H2O? What are water vapors? H2O? Is the energy level of the tailpipe emanation critical in the trouble shooting process? And does it make a difference if H2O is a product or a byproduct?
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Cool pipes and/or cool ambient air temperature can allow the water vapor to appear until things heat up - happens all the time here in the Northeast, particularly in spring and fall. If coolant is leaking into the combustion chambers, you will continue to make smoke after warmup
Did you read the original post?
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No smoke on startup after sitting overnight or for moderate period of time or during runs. Not burning oil. It’s a SOCAL car so not starting up in extreme cold.
I didn't say it HAD to be a coolant leak. I merely suggested he, "Keep a close eye on the coolant level."

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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 07:56 PM
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i agree with CFI-EFI. it could be a coolant leak, keep a eye on the coolant level. if there is no loss in coolant then i wouldnt wory about it.
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Thank you to all. I'm all ears. I will watch the coolant level. I'm feeling better about things, especially with all this help.
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Originally Posted by CFI-EFI
What is steam? H2O? What are water vapors? H2O? Is the energy level of the tailpipe emanation critical in the trouble shooting process? And does it make a difference if H2O is a product or a byproduct? Did you read the original post? I didn't say it HAD to be a coolant leak. I merely suggested he, "Keep a close eye on the coolant level."

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I agree with your initial post and very much with your answer to the comment.
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what is the air temp. there when you shut it off ???? is it cool ?
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what is the air temp. there when you shut it off ???? is it cool ?
The 'Vette stays near the beach in OC (Southern California) - so temp. rarely below 60 or higher than 90.
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Whoa! Didn't mean to get nerdy on you or dispute your opinion! I thought it important to note that the appearance of water vapor is NORMAL and should be expected during certain conditions - that's all. It is a product of combustion as is CO2 (pollutants and other unexpected stuff are considered byproducts). Just didn't want you to scare willi into sleepless nights over it. My apologies.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 10:08 AM
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with everything said-I wouldn't get to concerned, just keep an eye on things. A little condensation does occasionally show up as you described. It's not unusual to even see it dripping from the exhaust at times-ambient temp. etc.
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