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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 05:57 PM
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Hey guys. I have the Cerra turbo kit with a forged shortblock and TEA stage 2 heads and was thinking about seeing if LPE would put their 650 twin turbo package in my car with my forged engine. I didn't know if they would have to use their parts since they wouldn't be familiar with mine. I've e-mailed them but thought I'd ask what you thought. If they did use my engine, I would hope the price would drop quite a bit (or at least some ). This is definately not in the near future--I'm just weighing my options. Thanks!
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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I wouldn't bother with their TT setup if you already have a single turbo. A properly configured single will beat the snot out of one of those 650 bhp TT's. (This isn't to say that the LPE TT kit isn't great - just not a good deal if you already have a turbo kit). Have a look at Earl's setup - single turbo - 700+ rwhp.

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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 06:24 PM
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Why are you giving up on the Cerra so quickly?

EarlH and I have a pretty good handle on them and they will make plenty of power. Most of the works is keeping it from buring stuff up.Earl pretty much has that part worked out also...

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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 06:32 PM
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I'm not giving up on it yet. I'm just seeing what my options are with twin turbos.
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 07:14 PM
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Keep it and tweak it.
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Only they can answer this question for sure, but I'm guessing that they will shy away from it. If you did convince them to install the TT, you would get absolutely no warranty whatsoever, which is one of the biggest reasons for using LPE in the first place. Also - if you already have a built motor, you don't need the 650 package - you want the 550 package with an adjustable boost controller - unless you want insane power (all relative), which is just a turbo swap away.

Once again though, they would likely want to tear down the engine to ensure it will survive the TT, and this will cost you some $$$ too, and still no warranty.

Good luck with your choice - Ed will likely post something to help you out.
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 09:41 PM
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No I dont think they would touch your built engine and add a stage II turbo system to it. They would want to build it from the ground up using their parts. (and charge you full price)

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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 12:06 AM
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No I dont think they would touch your built engine and add a stage II turbo system to it. They would want to build it from the ground up using their parts. (and charge you full price)

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This is very true.
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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 07:31 AM
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Nope! I know I wouldn't. They know nothing about the quality of the parts or assembly work of your engine. To ask a company to put a warranty on somebody elses work is wishful thinking. It could/would be a huge nightmare to deal with if something happened to your engine. Not to mention the reputation and image the LPE has to uphold. I'm not saying your engine builder doesn't know what he is doing, but if I didn't know him, I wouldn't want to stake my reputation on his work.

BTW, I don't think LPE offers a boost controller option on the 550 packages. Only on the built engines (650 and 427) if IIRC.

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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 09:52 AM
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Hi Indiana ZO6,


We would be happy to install our TT package on your car, but we will want to go through the engine ourselves, and build it to our own specs. We will definitely give you full credit for existing parts that we would re-use, which should save you some money.

The reasoning for this is not simply to charge you full price as others have implied, but to ensure the quality of the engine thet we are going to install the TT package on and cover with a warranty. We have a tried and true TT program hat has worked flawlessly since it was introduced back in the late 90's. And really don't want to cut corners.

Let's face it, no matter who does work on your car before it comes here, when it leaves here, it becomes an LPE car, and it you're not happy with it, that reflects on us. For that reason, we have to hold each car to our own strict quality standards.

Feel free to contact me if I can answer any questions for you,
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Thanks Ed. I'm going to do some more homework and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Ed@Lingenfelter
Hi Indiana ZO6,

We would be happy to install our TT package on your car, but we will want to go through the engine ourselves, and build it to our own specs. We will definitely give you full credit for existing parts that we would re-use, which should save you some money.

The reasoning for this is not simply to charge you full price as others have implied, but to ensure the quality of the engine thet we are going to install the TT package on and cover with a warranty.

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Ed, I respect you and LPE. I am happy to hear that you would be willing to install your kits on an existing engine. Had I known this, I might have brought my car to you after building my last LS6 engine. In reality, after taking my engine apart and installing all of your spec parts... how much would a Stage II setup actually cost?

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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 11:26 AM
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I wouldn't bother with their TT setup if you already have a single turbo. A properly configured single will beat the snot out of one of those 650 bhp TT's. (This isn't to say that the LPE TT kit isn't great - just not a good deal if you already have a turbo kit).

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Oh definitely - Heck, I dont even know why owners even waste their time and money on LPE Twins when they can get a single for so much cheaper and better performing
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Originally Posted by Jerseyboy
BTW, I don't think LPE offers a boost controller option on the 550 packages. Only on the built engines (650 and 427) if IIRC.

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Not true. You can have it on the 550 TT too - it just voids the warranty!
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Originally Posted by MARK's_C5TT
Oh definitely - Heck, I dont even know why owners even waste their time and money on LPE Twins when they can get a single for so much cheaper and better performing
That's not what I said at all. LPE makes a great TT kit, however, if you already have a single turbo it would, IMHO, be a waste to change it.. I've seen a worked over Cerra put out 700rwhp on a 346 ci motor. Maybe you can explain how 650 bhp is better than 700 rwhp.

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Originally Posted by vetterdstr
Ed, I respect you and LPE. I am happy to hear that you would be willing to install your kits on an existing engine. Had I known this, I might have brought my car to you after building my last LS6 engine. In reality, after taking my engine apart and installing all of your spec parts... how much would a Stage II setup actually cost?

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Ultimately, it would depend on what you already have, that we include in the package. Most guys have a catback exhaust at this point, and we include one, if your pistons and rods are forged, and correct specs, we could credit for them. Without knowing your setup, I would estimate roughly $2-3K in credits. Keep in mind, we still have to go through all of the same labor steps, so it won't change the price drastically. And, on highly modified cars, there may be things that we determine need to be changed back to stock, which could end up costing even more.

Hope this helps,
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Originally Posted by Ed@Lingenfelter
Ultimately, it would depend on what you already have, that we include in the package. Most guys have a catback exhaust at this point, and we include one, if your pistons and rods are forged, and correct specs, we could credit for them. Without knowing your setup, I would estimate roughly $2-3K in credits. Keep in mind, we still have to go through all of the same labor steps, so it won't change the price drastically. And, on highly modified cars, there may be things that we determine need to be changed back to stock, which could end up costing even more.

Hope this helps,
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Ed thats pretty much what I was thinking too... I knew your shop would need to do all of that to ensure a quality build. So when I said (so they can charge you full price) what I really should have said was (it will be almost full price) Sorry about that as I really didnt mean to make you guys look like you only charge "full price" for things.

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Besides the forged motor, what's the difference between the 550 and 650 package? I'm assuming they use different turbos?
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Originally Posted by Indiana Z06
Besides the forged motor, what's the difference between the 550 and 650 package? I'm assuming they use different turbos?
I believe you are correct there, but Ed can find out for sure from Graham or Jason.
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Originally Posted by Indiana Z06
Besides the forged motor, what's the difference between the 550 and 650 package? I'm assuming they use different turbos?
Same turbos stage 1 through stage3. Different tuning, injectors, fuel delivery, etc and then a little more boost, all with a warranty.
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