Guys I know that different turbos have different advantages. Is there one system that is superior to the others? Some things to consider are heat, and turbo lag. I plan to purchase a system and just looking for some educated advise.

Thanks,
The Big Dog

 

 

The TTi X kit and LPE are my personal favorites. They make tons of power, little lag, and are hung low and don't have heat issues. The PTK setup is a top mount, makes good power, but does require some added things to prevent heat problems.

The other kits are either one offs or unproven or both. Don't waste your time or money. Buy something with proven results.

Cheers,

Mark

 

I have to agree with the above post.

I am in the market right now.. I have all but decided 99.5% to use the TTiX kit, I have has significant discussions with RoabRebel (Phil) and his knowledge has been most helpful.

The other system I like is the STS system... but not yet proven to me, although Cartek has had some AWESOME success with a system that is similar.

LPE is always a great choice, but I am a DIY guy and that is too much jack for me.

Also..I have to preface my choices on the fact that I don't want an over the top of the engine setup... BUT PTK appears to have a VERY nice kit too...

OH YEAH.. and check out Synergymotorsports.. THEY HAVE ALL THE BESTEST STUFF AND CAN HOOK YOU UP..!!!!

(for some reason I never get tired of doing that!!! LOL)

 

Big Dog,
One thing you need to ask yourself is what are your expectations for performance? Do you plan on future power upgrades or once you are done will you always be happy with the kit? I find most guys get used to the power and want more down the road... something to take into consideration. Do you want to see what you paid for up top or do you prefer the stealth look when the hood is opened? Kit "superiority" can move from kit to kit based on what exactly you want... what YOU define as "superior". Most if not all of the kits normally discussed in this section are great kits... with excellant customer service after the sale. Maybe Cerra's initial single turbo kit was a turd but guys that like to tinker made it a great kit... but as far as I know tha kit is no longer available anyway.

So heat and lag must be important factors for you. Have you ever driven a turbo car? What are your expectations for lag? Must you have instant boost... or do you prefer it build over a given RPM range? Sure, you will have guys that prefer one or the other... but in the end it depends on your expectations... not theirs.

Heat can be creatively dealt with on over the top or bottom mount kits... but heat MUST be managed no matter what kit you choose. Thats a given...

Andy@A&A will have super nice over the top kit coming out soon as well... and I wouldn't expect it to be released without being run through the ringer.

STS' twin kit looks to be a formidable opponant... with much less of the heat componant being a factor.

Will you install the kit? On what? Who will tune? You? If not, have you talked to the tuner about kits they have tuned?

... and if you are going to turn the screws on the kit... better be prepared to do a little research on fuel delivery capabilities as well. Some guys are running stock short blocks... some are forging the bottom ends. How much of your money can I spend?

Good luck
Bill

 

[QUOTE=Bill Reid]Big Dog,
One thing you need to ask yourself is what are your expectations for performance? Do you plan on future power upgrades or once you are done will you always be happy with the kit? I find most guys get used to the power and want more down the road... something to take into consideration. Do you want to see what you paid for up top or do you prefer the stealth look when the hood is opened? Kit "superiority" can move from kit to kit based on what exactly you want... what YOU define as "superior". Most if not all of the kits normally discussed in this section are great kits... with excellant customer service after the sale. Maybe Cerra's initial single turbo kit was a turd but guys that like to tinker made it a great kit... but as far as I know tha kit is no longer available anyway.

So heat and lag must be important factors for you. Have you ever driven a turbo car? What are your expectations for lag? Must you have instant boost... or do you prefer it build over a given RPM range? Sure, you will have guys that prefer one or the other... but in the end it depends on your expectations... not theirs.

Heat can be creatively dealt with on over the top or bottom mount kits... but heat MUST be managed no matter what kit you choose. Thats a given...

Andy@A&A will have super nice over the top kit coming out soon as well... and I wouldn't expect it to be released without being run through the ringer.

STS' twin kit looks to be a formidable opponant... with much less of the heat componant being a factor.

Will you install the kit? On what? Who will tune? You? If not, have you talked to the tuner about kits they have tuned?

... and if you are going to turn the screws on the kit... better be prepared to do a little research on fuel delivery capabilities as well. Some guys are running stock short blocks... some are forging the bottom ends. How much of your money can I spend?

Good luck
Bill[/QUO

Damm good answer Bill

 

"Damm good answer Bill"



Also, you may want to wait a short while and take a close close at this new single T76 TURBO Kit that is about to hit the market around January 1, 2006, for approx $5,500.00 (unistalled of course). This is a KILLER PRICE and the KIT utilizes TOP NOTCH components. There is a HUGE THREAD going on this single T76 TURBO going right now here on the f/i thread which you may or may not be aware of and this appears as if it will be the real deal. Here is the intial thread post from the tuner that lists all the killer parts and pricing. Decisions, decisions. BEST OF LUCK!!!

the kit will include the Following:
*PT76GTS turbo with a thermal coating on the hot side
*Mild Steel tubular headers and y/crossover pipe with v band clamps
Also coated
*Spearco custom intercooler good for 1100 hp w/.26 psi drop
*Tial 50mm BOV your choice of color (blk, blue, red, sliver, purple)good
to 80 psi and is a v band flange
*Tial 46mm waste gate your choice of color (blk, blue, red, sliver, purple)
good to 4 bar and 2000 degress and has an upgraded valve for leaded gas
*comes with all lines and fittings for oiling
*4 ply silicone couplers for the charge side and all clampa are t bolt clamps
*piping needed for charge side (aluminum) your choice of powder coat.
*alternator relocation bracket and a boss alternator
*thermal turbo blanket for hot side.
*turbo mounting bracket (your choice of powder coat)
*radiator relocation brackets
*aluminum radiator, condensor, intercooler shroud. your choice of powder
coat
*coil pack relocation kit
*down pipe fitted for stock location exhaut black 2400 degree thermal coating
*modified A/C compressor (WILL REQUIRE A CORE BACK FOR THIS)
*any nessecary heat sheilds
*custom uprer radiator pipe/hose
*intake pipe and an airfilter that isnt decided yet. will be located infront of the radiator

i am sure i am forgeting something but this is pretty close. if this kit sells the way i think it will we are going to have a members area of our website where you can download different bin files that will give you a base line tune for what ever set up you may have. there will also be a small Q/A forum.

there are going to be many options available for this kit such as poishing the aluminum pipes and turbo and radiator shroud or you can have the option of anodizing for that unique show look.

we will have many fuel options as well but no fuel upgrades come with the kit.

we are also going to offer a custom 1 gallon meth kit and we are going to have about 4 options for custom cams that will be designed to work with this kit.

there are many other items we are working on to offer with this kit and we seem to think of more every week.

Finally have the updates on pricing. We will have 50 kits ready around the new year. we will have a sale on them with a Minimum of 10 kits for $5499. if we can get 17 orders we will sale it for $5250. once we get some numbers off of our car we are going to start the sale. if we dont get 10 or more orders the kit will end up being a one of a kind kit and not available to the public. i will have my pre production set of headers and crossover in about 4 weeks. that is when the sale will start. once i get 10 orders i will give the word to my manufacturer on the last 49 sets that i have to buy. we will also sale the headers and crossover by itself with the v band clamps for $1000 first sale price and after that they will be $1299. as things progress there will be more updates and more options available but it is taking us longer than i thought it would but none the less it is progressing.

if you have any other questions let me know.

thanks
Brad

 

Of course here is another promising twin turbo option here in chicago where the turbos mount down low on the side of the engine right near the front fender vents. I took a ride in the tuner MARKOS shop car FRC with his twin turbo set up which was STUPID FAST on a stock bottom end LS1 making around 10lbs of boost and making 645rwhp and 683rwtq!!!

In case you have not seen pricing on this (and you probably have) as there is huge thread going on here right now on this set-up and here you go with more info on this along with the tuner's name. Decisions, decisions!!

Marko@SupercarTuning
Supporting Tuner
Member Since: Jun 2005

Our introductory post was temporarily deleted while the mods delete some posts from a few members that got into a bit of a verbal sling. The prices are as follows:

Stage 1 750 HP $7895
Stage 2 900 HP $8395
Stage 3 1100HP $8895

These power ratings are crank horsepower capability of the system provided the motor they are applied to is strong enough to support the horsepower output of the system. I am currently running a stage 2 system on a stock 55,000 mile shortblock. I installed 6.0L truck heads to lower compression and our stage 1 camshaft which is a relatively mild 224/226 split on a 115 LSA.

 

Why do people constantly recommend stuff that hasnt even hit the market yet? is unproven? Lead times are still uncertain (quoted doesn't equal actual - see HP twin setup? Haven't even seen it on a car yet? You'd think most of us would learn.


PS: Go with a proven setup (a lot choices these days)...it will save you time and energy down the road. I had fun getting my current setup to its current level of power...not everyone is as patient.

 

Although i agree with you 100% if he is looking to pull the trigger in the immediate future to go with a battle tested proven option, I am just trying to inform him of all the exciting turbo options on the market right now and this is a good time to take a nice deep breath and see what goes down with some of these new C5 options over the next 6 months or so.

Both this single turbo system and twin turbo i reference (which i have driven in personally two weeks ago) seems very promising for those who are not in a big rush (as the old saying goes "FOOLS RUSH IN)". If he is not in a hurry, seeing how some of these other options (including the STS twin turbo rear mount kit which in in production and performing very well on several cars) play out over the next few months from a reliability, maintenacne and performance perspective, that may work to his advantage b/c competition breeds excellence and the turbo market is looking fairly competitive in the near future!!

 

Amen brother. When one of the "new" kits is on a dozen cars or more and has solid #'s, both dyno and track, and doesn't melt the hood or plug wires, etc, etc, etc, I'll change my opinion. Until then I'm going to recommend that people not recommend products that they have absolutely no experience with whatsoever.

Cheers,

Mark

 

Yeah ... What he said .


Dan

 

Been talking to Nolan and Mark... looks like I am coming on board... LOL

 

It's kind-of HARD to fight the NEED for the TWINS

 

The PTK kit, TTI, and LPE are all good kits. The latter 2 kits are under carriage kits, the first is a top mount.

JZ

 

There are several factors to consider , budget , proven performance , drivability etc . I've always wanted a turbo on my C5 but never could afford what was out there , as others have said , there are several good kits available now . I had Cartek build me a custom rear-mount STS concept kit , it's as low budget as you can get , right down to the stock exhaust manifolds , but it performs incredible on the street and the track , I knew what Cartek was capable of doing with a basic " no frills " system , I'm extremely happy with it .

 

if your about speed and drag times, go single, if your about looking cool and showing off to your coworkers, get the twin turbo setup


oh please, let them flame me.

 

This is the turbo setup that I'm going with to make a 1000 + rwhp
I am taking them some money tomorrow so they can get started on my 408 motor .
Iwill have there Turbo setup for the Corvette World to see in March at the Corvette Forum Cruise in.
Brad at Force Fed High Preformance Know's his ****.
Here is the thread check it out

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...9&page=1&pp=30

Have a great night
Dave Dillon
dld61@blueriver.net

 

Yes and no...there are only 2 production TT kits on C5s pushing them into the 9's and they are LPE's and PTK's.

The other TT in the 9s then 8's is a 1 off TT built by Cartek..and interestingly the Single 1 off Turbo setup has also been built by Cartek..and is in the low 9s. I wouldn't hessitate to put any of these setups on my car.

Good luck Dave...don't let people's negativity bring you down. Its fun pioneering new kits...I know...I got to do it with ATI, TTI, and PTK....that doesn't include H&C, suspension and other miscellaneous stuff I have put on the 2 C5s I have owned. While sometimes frustrating it can be one of the best learning experiences you will ever have owning one of these cars....especially if you have turned wrenches on cars before.

You will find a lot of people in this section who comment and offer their experience, to have merely only wrote a check for their TT or SC kit, but have never even worked on their cars and probably only been to the track a few times. They also hang really well on the legs of others and have a tendency to regurgitate.

 

I would say a lot of the supercharging and turbo Charging kits coming to market are making some sort of power above 525 rwhp..

OEM reliabilty on many has yet to be proven.
This partial due to time.
The fact they are fairly new to market.

700 rwhp does not seem out of reach for almost all kits.
Consistency and reliability on road and track numbers are really the markers.

LPE, PTK, TTI X, Cartek, STS TT, ECS Single, ECS Novi are among a few that should be examined imo.

Synergymotorsport.net currently uses the ECS Novi Kit, STS singles, STS TT due to not only the power made (9 seconds or better), but OEM reliabilty. An STS TT should easily pull a nine this weekend. A well tuned (given the same parameters) STS TT will out perform a single STS in terms of volumetric efficiency. Synergy also has a customer that has a PTK. Synergy custom tailors each kit, motor, cooling, drivetrain, etc.. to each car. I cannot stress how important this is.

Also Synergy does not beta test parts on customers unless they wish to try something a little different on their own accord. We prefer to test them or have them tested first and examine the data.

New to market, is not always better. In some cases the new technology is great. Just look at the horsepower levels.

Brent