PTK Down pipe question
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PTK Down pipe question
How much clearance is there around the down pipes? What is the tightest area and how tight is is? Drivers and passenger side.....
If someone could take detailed pictures up close at angles that show areas where clearance is minimal. Pictures would be VERY helpful!!!
You can email them to me at tmo26@aol.com
I am having some custom Iconel covers made for the down pipes and need clearance info. Unfortunately I shipped out the pipes allready.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Tom Ulrich
If someone could take detailed pictures up close at angles that show areas where clearance is minimal. Pictures would be VERY helpful!!!
You can email them to me at tmo26@aol.com
I am having some custom Iconel covers made for the down pipes and need clearance info. Unfortunately I shipped out the pipes allready.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Tom Ulrich
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Originally Posted by Tomulrich
How much clearance is there around the down pipes? What is the tightest area and how tight is is? Drivers and passenger side.....
If someone could take detailed pictures up close at angles that show areas where clearance is minimal. Pictures would be VERY helpful!!!
You can email them to me at tmo26@aol.com
I am having some custom Iconel covers made for the down pipes and need clearance info. Unfortunately I shipped out the pipes allready.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Tom Ulrich
If someone could take detailed pictures up close at angles that show areas where clearance is minimal. Pictures would be VERY helpful!!!
You can email them to me at tmo26@aol.com
I am having some custom Iconel covers made for the down pipes and need clearance info. Unfortunately I shipped out the pipes allready.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Tom Ulrich
Passenger side is close to one of the wiring harnesses..in fact you have to put a thermal cover over it, and then use a blanket (velco one) around the down pipe as an added safety measure. It should have came with the kit.
Driver side is close to the brake lines coming out of the bottom of the master cylinder. The lines have a really thick insulation around them in the locations of the downpipe. In fact on my car they were touching the down pipe and it burned a little of the insulation. I used a 1x4 and gently moved the brake lines closer to the frame. They stuck out about an 1/4" from the frame. After I made the adjusment no problem.
If I get a chance I will get out to the shop and snap a couple of pics. I have to get back to working around the house preparing for X mas.
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TOM HERE YOU GO.
i wrapped me d pipe and header and when i was reinstalling the two parts were touching causing the waste gates to not align!
there is no more room!! period!! i would have clearanced the two were they crossed.
i have more pics on http://photobucket.com/albums/b335/NICKYOSKIN996969/
i wrapped me d pipe and header and when i was reinstalling the two parts were touching causing the waste gates to not align!
there is no more room!! period!! i would have clearanced the two were they crossed.
i have more pics on http://photobucket.com/albums/b335/NICKYOSKIN996969/
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The downpipe on the passenger side is pretty clear of everything even w/ blankets in the tightest spots. No worries there.
The drivers side, however, can come in contact the w/ the Master Break Cylinder and manifold directly opposite of where it comes in contact w/ the MBC. That's the area which will be the tightest for the majority. In my case I needed to put a slight indent at those two locations to allow the wastegate flange to line up. If your's doesn't line up then know that a couple slight indents will take care of it and a side benefit is easier installation and removal as well as engine torqueing on hard accell/decel. With the indents the blanket can be there and it'll still have room.
Without the indents there was no way I could line up the wastegate.. with or without blanket.
This is what I had to do and I believe for others it may have just been extremely tight... which is the point being made here.
The drivers side, however, can come in contact the w/ the Master Break Cylinder and manifold directly opposite of where it comes in contact w/ the MBC. That's the area which will be the tightest for the majority. In my case I needed to put a slight indent at those two locations to allow the wastegate flange to line up. If your's doesn't line up then know that a couple slight indents will take care of it and a side benefit is easier installation and removal as well as engine torqueing on hard accell/decel. With the indents the blanket can be there and it'll still have room.
Without the indents there was no way I could line up the wastegate.. with or without blanket.
This is what I had to do and I believe for others it may have just been extremely tight... which is the point being made here.
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Originally Posted by AVB
The downpipe on the passenger side is pretty clear of everything even w/ blankets in the tightest spots. No worries there.
The drivers side, however, can come in contact the w/ the Master Break Cylinder and manifold directly opposite of where it comes in contact w/ the MBC. That's the area which will be the tightest for the majority. In my case I needed to put a slight indent at those two locations to allow the wastegate flange to line up. If your's doesn't line up then know that a couple slight indents will take care of it and a side benefit is easier installation and removal as well as engine torqueing on hard accell/decel. With the indents the blanket can be there and it'll still have room.
Without the indents there was no way I could line up the wastegate.. with or without blanket.
This is what I had to do and I believe for others it may have just been extremely tight... which is the point being made here.
The drivers side, however, can come in contact the w/ the Master Break Cylinder and manifold directly opposite of where it comes in contact w/ the MBC. That's the area which will be the tightest for the majority. In my case I needed to put a slight indent at those two locations to allow the wastegate flange to line up. If your's doesn't line up then know that a couple slight indents will take care of it and a side benefit is easier installation and removal as well as engine torqueing on hard accell/decel. With the indents the blanket can be there and it'll still have room.
Without the indents there was no way I could line up the wastegate.. with or without blanket.
This is what I had to do and I believe for others it may have just been extremely tight... which is the point being made here.
Interesting some little differences, but every car is a little different.
None of my plumbing has needed indentations. I will check that piece of metal on my Master Cylinder I think I have quite a bit more room then that.
However those shielded lines are what are close to my down pipe...those are the ones I move a little, I discussed on a previous post.
The trick to putting this kit together, that I found was to put on the headers first. I actually put the whole unit together....turbos and headers, dicsonnected the midpipe, left the down pipes loose in their location. Then brought in the header turbo assembly. I used exhaust head studs. So I just slid the manifold over the studs. Then torqued them accordingly. I then lined up the flange from the Wastegate Vent Tube and bolted it to the flange on the down pipe. So that means I already had the little slip fit piece in the downpipe.
Then from the bottom I made the midpipe fit to the header flanges. Making sure to have the doughnut it correctly.
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Alright I just checked tonight. I have 1/2" of space between the bottom of the master cylinder to the down pipe.
Make sure you disconnect the midpipe...at bare minimum the bolts that hold it to the tranny..two 15 mm bolts.
Then put everything in where it belongs then bolt the midpipe back up to the down pipes..you may have to use a punch to line up the two bottom holes on the midpipe bracket, where they join, to the tranny holes...get them lined up with a punch and stick the bolts in them...there are two holes.
Make sure you disconnect the midpipe...at bare minimum the bolts that hold it to the tranny..two 15 mm bolts.
Then put everything in where it belongs then bolt the midpipe back up to the down pipes..you may have to use a punch to line up the two bottom holes on the midpipe bracket, where they join, to the tranny holes...get them lined up with a punch and stick the bolts in them...there are two holes.
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It's on the opposite side of the downpipe that, for me, needed the slight indent/clearancing. It made contact with the manifold and would not allow alignment of the wastgate flange once the v-band was secure. Once it was clearanced everything lined up properly and there was not a real need to do anything on the side of the master cyl. I just did it to allow more space for engine torquing. Midpipe lined up perfectly.
BTW, I just spoke to Dalton and he's looking into getting a few headers/downpipes swaintech coated. Even discussed getting the swaintech coat applied w/ a jet hot-like silver on top...
BTW, I just spoke to Dalton and he's looking into getting a few headers/downpipes swaintech coated. Even discussed getting the swaintech coat applied w/ a jet hot-like silver on top...
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Originally Posted by AVB
It's on the opposite side of the downpipe that, for me, needed the slight indent/clearancing. It made contact with the manifold and would not allow alignment of the wastgate flange once the v-band was secure. Once it was clearanced everything lined up properly and there was not a real need to do anything on the side of the master cyl. I just did it to allow more space for engine torquing. Midpipe lined up perfectly.
BTW, I just spoke to Dalton and he's looking into getting a few headers/downpipes swaintech coated. Even discussed getting the swaintech coat applied w/ a jet hot-like silver on top...
BTW, I just spoke to Dalton and he's looking into getting a few headers/downpipes swaintech coated. Even discussed getting the swaintech coat applied w/ a jet hot-like silver on top...
engine tq's towards the passenger side.
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hmmm..mine has never touched.
The only thing that barely touched when I first got the car back was on the hood.
The passenger side wastegate vent tube was just touching the fiberglass hood liner, it didn't catch fire or anything but I was uncomfortable with it....it was easy to make the decision to take it off....because..
My ATI SC belt flew off and ripped it in a couple of places.
My TTi Stage III intake tubes made indentations in it...eventually causing tears.
My PTK passenger side wastegate tube burnt a 3" straight line on it. But the liner did hang down a little lower in this area from previous damages.
I guess I should include the fact I could never get all the oil out of it from when my first motor blew up.
My hood liner told the story from all of my mods. So I just ditched it...no more story.
Anyway I hope you get everything lined up....can't wait to hear your driving impressions.
The only thing that barely touched when I first got the car back was on the hood.
The passenger side wastegate vent tube was just touching the fiberglass hood liner, it didn't catch fire or anything but I was uncomfortable with it....it was easy to make the decision to take it off....because..
My ATI SC belt flew off and ripped it in a couple of places.
My TTi Stage III intake tubes made indentations in it...eventually causing tears.
My PTK passenger side wastegate tube burnt a 3" straight line on it. But the liner did hang down a little lower in this area from previous damages.
I guess I should include the fact I could never get all the oil out of it from when my first motor blew up.
My hood liner told the story from all of my mods. So I just ditched it...no more story.
Anyway I hope you get everything lined up....can't wait to hear your driving impressions.
Last edited by Shinobi'sZ; Dec 21, 2005 at 05:26 PM.
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Originally Posted by AVB
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BTW, I just spoke to Dalton and he's looking into getting a few headers/downpipes swaintech coated. Even discussed getting the swaintech coat applied w/ a jet hot-like silver on top...
BTW, I just spoke to Dalton and he's looking into getting a few headers/downpipes swaintech coated. Even discussed getting the swaintech coat applied w/ a jet hot-like silver on top...
yeah i called dalton last night....thats cool.. swaintech and then hit it w/jetcoat. with that and your hood NO problems what so ever.
