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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 08:26 AM
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After using every set up out there including the original Vortech system, then switching to the 8 rib pulley combo, then going to the ATI system next was A&A with the newwer bracket........ Now the car sits at ECS collecting dust as i wait for Riechard to finish my 10 rib head unit pulleys . Doug and Chris are on top of it and the car is all together except for this pulley, the wait is definitly geeting tryed soom. I know it will be worth it but i want to be able to drive my car before winter.

BTW: ECS has been there with all my questions with answers. I do feel i bother them to much but i miss my 800 rwhp machine.

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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 08:35 AM
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Why are so many guys needing to upgrade setups? is there a max "reliable/consistent" hp for every level of pulley (i.e. 6-rib=500hp, 8 rib=700hp, 10-rib=850hp)?
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 08:45 AM
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Why are so many guys needing to upgrade setups? is there a max "reliable/consistent" hp for every level of pulley (i.e. 6-rib=500hp, 8 rib=700hp, 10-rib=850hp)?

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Really for me it is more about being able to drive the car with out the worry of my belt sling shoting thru my hood like many times before and then sitting on the side of the road with a 100k+ car stranded. With this up grade i will be able to push harder and enjoy the car more. Yea i know some of us want to hold big Dyno sheets, i think mostly its braging rights.....
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...and I thought that I was bad. I too have had the Vortech, then an RMCR Vortech, and now an A&A Vortech (Not installed yet. No time due to selling house/moving/build new house/moving).

I take it that you are now switching to the ECS Paxton?


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After using every set up out there including the original Vortech system, then switching to the 8 rib pulley combo, then going to the ATI system next was A&A with the newwer bracket........ Now the car sits at ECS collecting dust as i wait for Riechard to finish my 10 rib head unit pulleys . Doug and Chris are on top of it and the car is all together except for this pulley, the wait is definitly geeting tryed soom. I know it will be worth it but i want to be able to drive my car before winter.

BTW: ECS has been there with all my questions with answers. I do feel i bother them to much but i miss my 800 rwhp machine.

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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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...and I thought that I was bad. I too have had the Vortech, then an RMCR Vortech, and now an A&A Vortech (Not installed yet. No time due to selling house/moving/build new house/moving).

I take it that you are now switching to the ECS Paxton?

no i have the Pro charger F1-R blower, i always liked the procharger better, personal prefference
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 99 C-5 F1C VETTE
After using every set up out there including the original Vortech system, then switching to the 8 rib pulley combo, then going to the ATI system next was A&A with the newwer bracket........ Now the car sits at ECS collecting dust as i wait for Riechard to finish my 10 rib head unit pulleys . Doug and Chris are on top of it and the car is all together except for this pulley, the wait is definitly geeting tryed soom. I know it will be worth it but i want to be able to drive my car before winter.

BTW: ECS has been there with all my questions with answers. I do feel i bother them to much but i miss my 800 rwhp machine.

I hope the 10 rib works great for you! I have 8 rib setup now and it sucks big time. Im going to install a cogbelt system this winter and see what that can do. If that doesent work Im going for turbos.
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 99 C-5 F1C VETTE
Really for me it is more about being able to drive the car with out the worry of my belt sling shoting thru my hood like many times before and then sitting on the side of the road with a 100k+ car stranded.
No amount of power is worth having an unreliable car. Belt issues are among the most frustrating things imagineable. Unless you've gone through it you really can't appreciate what a PIA it is.
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My D-1 8 rib, has an alignment issue. Will this system work if aligned, perfectly? According to my tuner it will, align it right and make it banjo string tight and it will perform. Please, jump in.
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My 8rib D1 is holding well around 10psi.
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I hope the 10 rib works great for you! I have 8 rib setup now and it sucks big time. Im going to install a cogbelt system this winter and see what that can do. If that doesent work Im going for turbos.

who's cog set up is it?
i was gonna do that with ATI but i wasn't convinced it was worth it.
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My D-1 8 rib, has an alignment issue. Will this system work if aligned, perfectly? According to my tuner it will, align it right and make it banjo string tight and it will perform. Please, jump in.

yes it will work if properly aligned, just dont go to small of a pulley or she will slip
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Originally Posted by 99 C-5 F1C VETTE
After using every set up out there including the original Vortech system, then switching to the 8 rib pulley combo, then going to the ATI system next was A&A with the newwer bracket........ Now the car sits at ECS collecting dust as i wait for Riechard to finish my 10 rib head unit pulleys . Doug and Chris are on top of it and the car is all together except for this pulley, the wait is definitly geeting tryed soom. I know it will be worth it but i want to be able to drive my car before winter.

BTW: ECS has been there with all my questions with answers. I do feel i bother them to much but i miss my 800 rwhp machine.


I hear ya on that!! I run a custom Carrol Supercharger setup. I presently run a 3" pulley on mine. It makes GREAT midrange torque, but does have a small amount of slip up top.

I recently changed out the carrol air box to Andy's new air bridge, hence picking up 35 to 40 HP/TQ in the midrange. I figure if I give up just a hair of power in the midrange by going up to a 3 1/8 inch Reichard racing pulley, I'll be able to eliminate most of my slipage on top, and continue to make power right up to my shift points! My pulley is in the final stages right now, and should be complete in a few days!!

I will then install it with a fresh belt and new LPE 4" MAF, followed by a dyno tune. It should be interesting to see the new #s...

I can't really complain too much about the performance of my setup, since it has been allowing me a very good amount of drive time!


Good luck getting your setup back together!! I have found that if I do small changes by myself, it allows me to drive and enjoy my car, while I continue to refine and upgrade my system.

JB
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Old Aug 19, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Emuffinman1
My D-1 8 rib, has an alignment issue. Will this system work if aligned, perfectly? According to my tuner it will, align it right and make it banjo string tight and it will perform. Please, jump in.
I had alignment/interference issues with my 8-rib A&A bracket.....I recently switched to the ECS 8-rib bracket and tensioner. The ECS tensioner is much stronger and keeps the belt "banjo string" tight. Also the ECS bracket doesn't require the multiple idlers that convolute the belt into s-curves (increasing parasitic drag, bearing failures and power loss). Belts can be replaced without removing the supercharger.

After a week of testing, I feel a slight increase in power at the top.......and no belt dust any where....seems to have stopped the slip I had before...time for a new dyno run to verify this.

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I hear ya on that!! I run a custom Carrol Supercharger setup. I presently run a 3" pulley on mine. It makes GREAT midrange torque, but does have a small amount of slip up top.

I recently changed out the carrol air box to Andy's new air bridge, hence picking up 35 to 40 HP/TQ in the midrange. I figure if I give up just a hair of power in the midrange by going up to a 3 1/8 inch Reichard racing pulley, I'll be able to eliminate most of my slipage on top, and continue to make power right up to my shift points! My pulley is in the final stages right now, and should be complete in a few days!!

I will then install it with a fresh belt and new LPE 4" MAF, followed by a dyno tune. It should be interesting to see the new #s...

I can't really complain too much about the performance of my setup, since it has been allowing me a very good amount of drive time!


Good luck getting your setup back together!! I have found that if I do small changes by myself, it allows me to drive and enjoy my car, while I continue to refine and upgrade my system.

JB

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Originally Posted by jbsblownc5
I hear ya on that!! I run a custom Carrol Supercharger setup. I presently run a 3" pulley on mine. It makes GREAT midrange torque, but does have a small amount of slip up top.

I recently changed out the carrol air box to Andy's new air bridge, hence picking up 35 to 40 HP/TQ in the midrange. I figure if I give up just a hair of power in the midrange by going up to a 3 1/8 inch Reichard racing pulley, I'll be able to eliminate most of my slipage on top, and continue to make power right up to my shift points! My pulley is in the final stages right now, and should be complete in a few days!!

I will then install it with a fresh belt and new LPE 4" MAF, followed by a dyno tune. It should be interesting to see the new #s...

I can't really complain too much about the performance of my setup, since it has been allowing me a very good amount of drive time!


Good luck getting your setup back together!! I have found that if I do small changes by myself, it allows me to drive and enjoy my car, while I continue to refine and upgrade my system.

JB
Wouldn't it be better to change cog belt ratio, to step-up speed/RPM and allow for larger accessory belt pulley. That cog belt is not going to slip.

Just thinking out loud.
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Wouldn't it be better to change cog belt ratio, to step-up speed/RPM and allow for larger accessory belt pulley. That cog belt is not going to slip.

Just thinking out loud.
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for some reason i think a little slip on deacceleration.. maybe?
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Originally Posted by RoccoSifredi
I hope the 10 rib works great for you! I have 8 rib setup now and it sucks big time. Im going to install a cogbelt system this winter and see what that can do. If that doesent work Im going for turbos.
Nobody has been able to make a cog drive (including full accessory) work on the C5 reliably... at least any C5 driven with any regularity on the street... that I have heard of. If you can make it happen... make sure your machinest can build a few spare kits as I am sure you could sell a few and perhaps get a little return on your time and effort.

ECS's 10 rib setup looks like a sweet setup. The M122HH and Kenne Bell croud will definately benefit from 10 rib too... especially as the S/C pulley's shrink as junkies get used to their already insane power

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Originally Posted by 99 C-5 F1C VETTE
for some reason i think a little slip on deacceleration.. maybe?
JB has dual belt setup, accessory to jack shaft and then cogged belt to supercharger. The cogged belt is in 40-50 mm wide range so it can certainly handle power with easy. With the jack shaft arrangement I would step up RPM with cogged belt which intern allows for larger accessory belt pulley, while not loosing any performance.


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My 8rib D1 is holding well around 10psi.

its good to around 12 psi.
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Originally Posted by Skunkworks
JB has dual belt setup, accessory to jack shaft and then cogged belt to supercharger. The cogged belt is in 40-50 mm wide range so it can certainly handle power with easy. With the jack shaft arrangement I would step up RPM with cogged belt which intern allows for larger accessory belt pulley, while not loosing any performance.


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My old Vortech hade that set up, never had much luck, but JBS is way more modified than my set up. And he drives his car for sure
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