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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 11:20 PM
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I pulled my plugs last night, and one of them has some strange deposits on it. Looks like a dark ash material that's mostly on the ground strap, but the porcelin is a little darker too. It dosent seem to resemble detonation, and the rest of the plugs look perfect. Compression check was good on all cylinders and the AF ratio is in the low 11's. A plug chart that I found said it's contamination from the oil or fuel additites, but i'd think that i would see that on the rest of the plugs too. Any ideas? Again I've seen detonated plugs before (damaged, pepper deposits) and this dosent look like that.

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EDIT-the material is pretty baked on, won't scrape off, or at least very easily. I changed that plug to a different cylinder and I'm going to check them again. This is on the 3rd cylinder back on the drivers side (not good with chevy numbers yet heh)
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what made you pull the plugs, was the car missing?
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 11:37 PM
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what made you pull the plugs, was the car missing?


Nothing at all-just wanted to take a look, and I happed to pull this one first, so then i pulled the rest and looked at them, checked compression etc.
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Actually, the best way that I can describe the deposits would be similar to carbon deposits that you'd find on the back of an intake valve. I tried to take a pic but i couldent get a good one.
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was it wet at all? I think you're talking about cylinder 5. if you wanted to you could put some fresh plugs in, do a pull to redline, keep your foot on the gas, and shut the car off to read the plugs. its best to do this at a track obviously, and carry an extra set of plugs with you to throw in after you pull yours and take them back to the pits to read them.

or, if it wasn't missing at all like you said, you could keep driving the car and not worry about it...
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Did you put anti-sieze on the threads before install or maybe scrape the ground strap when you pulled the plug out?
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Did you put anti-sieze on the threads before install or maybe scrape the ground strap when you pulled the plug out?
Anti seize was on the threads, but i put it on all the threads. I don't think its material from scraping the threads because it won't easily come off, also the porcelien is darker then the rest of the plugs.
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travis post some quality pics
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Originally Posted by NICK YOSKIN
travis post some quality pics
I'll do my best when i get back into town. Also, what would cause only one cylinder to do this? The only thing it could be to me is an injector....but they only have 5K on them and the fuel filter is just as fresh. I honestly don't think that it's a 'problem", but i am curious as to why it's like that. The AF ratio at WOT is low 11s..
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Originally Posted by TurboTravis
I'll do my best when i get back into town. Also, what would cause only one cylinder to do this? The only thing it could be to me is an injector....but they only have 5K on them and the fuel filter is just as fresh. I honestly don't think that it's a 'problem", but i am curious as to why it's like that. The AF ratio at WOT is low 11s..
which hole?

can be a multiple of things....no need to start guessing..diagnose is key
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What cylinder in these cars seems to run the leanest/hottest/get damaged first? I was thinking too that if it was a clogged injector, that the plug would show signs of being lean, not dark carbon like deposits...
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Originally Posted by TurboTravis
What cylinder in these cars seems to run the leanest/hottest/get damaged first? I was thinking too that if it was a clogged injector, that the plug would show signs of being lean, not dark carbon like deposits...
7=leanest
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Originally Posted by NICK YOSKIN
7=leanest
Thanks. 7 looked great. in fact, I swapped 5 and 7, so I'm going to watch out for 5 doing this to the plug again. I'll get pics on Thursday when I get home.
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Originally Posted by NICK YOSKIN
which hole?

can be a multiple of things....no need to start guessing..diagnose is key
clyinder 5 is the one in question. When it's one cylinder, that limits it down alot i'd think, to an injector or ignition...(assuming the timing/tuning is set the same to that cylinder)
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Originally Posted by TurboTravis
. I'll get pics on Thursday when I get home.
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Originally Posted by NICK YOSKIN
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My 'guess' at this time is possibly the plug wire was loose for this cylinder, but if that was the case I think it'd look rich. We will figure it out
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Originally Posted by TurboTravis
My 'guess' at this time is possibly the plug wire was loose for this cylinder, but if that was the case I think it'd look rich. We will figure it out
One bad valve seal would do this, that would explain a deposit. You can change that without removing head, just a thought.
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Originally Posted by F-14 Pilot
One bad valve seal would do this, that would explain a deposit. You can change that without removing head, just a thought.
Steve
That's a possibility, but doubtful with just 5k miles on the brand new heads. Still thinking it's ignition related.
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