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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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Installed the FAST on MULTIPLE GM platforms,..not three or four. We never do a FAST only swap,..so,..I don't care about a back to back "DYNO" shootout. We race our cars on the street and track,...not the rollers.

I guess you guys are the same ones that say a VARARAM won't work cause it makes crap on the dyno..yet gains of 3-4mph are there on EVERY 1/4 mile pass. I'll stick to the real world...you guys can worry about dyno numbers.

For what it's worth....I make 787 rwhp on my stock bottom end 11psi FAST equipped car. Any other LS1/LS6/LS2 cars making that?

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Installed the FAST on MULTIPLE GM platforms,..not three or four. We never do a FAST only swap,..so,..I don't care about a back to back "DYNO" shootout. We race our cars on the street and track,...not the rollers.

I guess you guys are the same ones that say a VARARAM won't work cause it makes crap on the dyno..yet gains of 3-4mph are there on EVERY 1/4 mile pass. I'll stick to the real world...you guys can worry about dyno numbers.

For what it's worth....I make 787 rwhp on my stock bottom end 11psi FAST equipped car. Any other LS1/LS6/LS2 cars making that?
787 rwhp @ 11 psi is THE most efficient combo I have seen the turbos really help by relieving the engine from parasitic loss caused by belt driven superchargers. Optimized part selection including the TT kit unleashed the most potential from 11 psi I have ever seen ! !....now keep it together and get some timeslips

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787 rwhp @ 11 psi is THE most efficient combo I have seen the turbos rerally help by relieving the engine from parasitic loss caused by belt driven superchargers. Optimized part selection including the TT kit unleashed the most potential from 11 psi I have ever seen ! !....now keep it together and get some timeslips
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Just trying to get the DIFF situation figured out, as the new Palm Beach International Raceway is about to open.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoove
Installed the FAST on MULTIPLE GM platforms,..not three or four. We never do a FAST only swap,..so,..I don't care about a back to back "DYNO" shootout. We race our cars on the street and track,...not the rollers.

I guess you guys are the same ones that say a VARARAM won't work cause it makes crap on the dyno..yet gains of 3-4mph are there on EVERY 1/4 mile pass. I'll stick to the real world...you guys can worry about dyno numbers.

For what it's worth....I make 787 rwhp on my stock bottom end 11psi FAST equipped car. Any other LS1/LS6/LS2 cars making that?

and for whats its worth I can take my little 732 rwhp and give u the hit at the track and still beat u in the 1/4 without the fast !!!!!!
Well lets see I race my car all the time Ive got several 9.61 runs at over 145 mph and with me in it weighs a little over 3600 lbs its a conv with a stock cubic in motor and a d1 I race my car all the time here is u a little video of a 6.14 run in the 1/8 so lets see some of your real world numbers
And yes the VARARAM does work great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTzsO...eature=related

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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoove
Installed the FAST on MULTIPLE GM platforms,..not three or four. We never do a FAST only swap,..so,..I don't care about a back to back "DYNO" shootout. We race our cars on the street and track,...not the rollers.

I guess you guys are the same ones that say a VARARAM won't work cause it makes crap on the dyno..yet gains of 3-4mph are there on EVERY 1/4 mile pass. I'll stick to the real world...you guys can worry about dyno numbers.

For what it's worth....I make 787 rwhp on my stock bottom end 11psi FAST equipped car. Any other LS1/LS6/LS2 cars making that?
What are you trying to prove?

I gave you the real world comparison between my car and Scotty's car.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 05:15 PM
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and for whats its worth I can take my little 732 rwhp and give u the hit at the track and still beat u in the 1/4 without the fast !!!!!!
Well lets see I race my car all the time Ive got several 9.61 runs at over 145 mph and with me in it weighs a little over 3600 lbs its a conv with a stock cubic in motor and a d1 I race my car all the time here is u a little video of a 6.14 run in the 1/8 so lets see some of your real world numbers
And yes the VARARAM does work great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTzsO...eature=related


Congratulations on your conquest.

I didn't build my car for the quarter mile, I built it for the standing mile. SO, if you want to make some sort of callout, thats where it'll be. I do intend to hit the 1/8th and 1/4 but, it's not really that big of an interest for me. I'd rather race a 1000cc bike then take my car to the drag strip....and then drive it to work the very next day.

...anyone can put an automatic in a car and point and shoot. Be a man,..drive a manual...

...you don't impress me if thats what your trying to do. Maybe your typical corvette forum member might get there rocks off by your 1/4 times....not me bub.

Point is....since your trying to get off topic....again, i'd like to see a back to back track comparison of the manifold..not your little dyno venture.

...and maybe you should read the OP's original post...original question.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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What are you trying to prove?

I gave you the real world comparison between my car and Scotty's car.


Yes...and from what I read....you were making 12 pounds, he was making 9.4psi..... he made 668(?)..you made 671..right? YOu had an LS6...he had the wilson...you ran 12 pounds to get that number...he ran 9 pounds to get that number. He made more torque as well. What is it that I was supposed to get man? That you ran more boost to get that number?...or what? From what I read on that, I think you both have the same trans setup...both have same gear setup right? So,...that would mean that the FAST was making near the same power as your car and it was running less boost,..right?

Am I wrong?....or did I overlook something?
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 05:38 PM
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If you do the math, 787rwhp on 11psi equals out to about 454rwhp NA. I have to say you must have some excellent heads, an amazing camshaft, and a generous dyno.
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Originally Posted by Smoove
Congratulations on your conquest.

I didn't build my car for the quarter mile, I built it for the standing mile. SO, if you want to make some sort of callout, thats where it'll be. I do intend to hit the 1/8th and 1/4 but, it's not really that big of an interest for me. I'd rather race a 1000cc bike then take my car to the drag strip....and then drive it to work the very next day.

...anyone can put an automatic in a car and point and shoot. Be a man,..drive a manual...

...you don't impress me if thats what your trying to do. Maybe your typical corvette forum member might get there rocks off by your 1/4 times....not me bub.

Point is....since your trying to get off topic....again, i'd like to see a back to back track comparison of the manifold..not your little dyno venture.

...and maybe you should read the OP's original post...original question.
Oh wow. You were looking really good in this post until you started bashing automatics.
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoove
Congratulations on your conquest.

I didn't build my car for the quarter mile, I built it for the standing mile. SO, if you want to make some sort of callout, thats where it'll be. I do intend to hit the 1/8th and 1/4 but, it's not really that big of an interest for me. I'd rather race a 1000cc bike then take my car to the drag strip....and then drive it to work the very next day.

...anyone can put an automatic in a car and point and shoot. Be a man,..drive a manual...

...you don't impress me if thats what your trying to do. Maybe your typical corvette forum member might get there rocks off by your 1/4 times....not me bub.

Point is....since your trying to get off topic....again, i'd like to see a back to back track comparison of the manifold..not your little dyno venture.

...and maybe you should read the OP's original post...original question.

Yes I told him sorry for getting off topic and the question was would it change the boost thats all he wanted to know and he said ok he liked what he was reading now to get on topic from what you were saying these or your words right here

. We race our cars on the street and track,...not the rollers
them were your words not mine
Now u dont even race your car u want to go get a bike well I got new for ya your 1000 cc bike want be enough either

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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoove

Am I wrong?....or did I overlook something?
You have overlooked a lot of things. You just finished your car a couple months ago and already started to get cocky for no reason.

You have 700+rwhp on stock bottom??? Wow! I have never seen it done before! Congratulations.

I should better learn a thing or two from you Werd
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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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Im just trying to help people Ive wasted so much money on these cars by trial and error its not even funny so I try to lead people in what works at the track for the best money spent if u look at my car not alot of bling just go fast stuff

Here I will even help u out with the diff call DTE or RPM get the new zo6 rear change the shafts put some qa1 on the rear and a 90/10 drag shock on the front and your good to go

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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 08:03 PM
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If you do the math, 787rwhp on 11psi equals out to about 454rwhp NA. I have to say you must have some excellent heads, an amazing camshaft, and a generous dyno.

Yes, thank you.

Your 100% correct about everything, except the dyno.

The car made 450 wheel with heads and cam.

The same setup on 11.5 psi, made these recent numbers.

My camshaft was one of those things that EVERYONE says won't work witha FI car(cause everyone knows everything that they read off the internet......so it must be true). It is a pretty stout cam but,..nothing custom. I'll gladly give out any spec needed.

My heads,..are BOX STOCK AFR 205's with dual valve springs, retainers, and harland sharp roller rockers. These heads are badass...and i really don't want to ever sell them, evern when I up the cubes.

The dyno,..lol...is one of the most dead nuts on dyno in south florida. Everyone HERE knows that it is. It is a superflow, load bearing dyno. It's diablosports R&D dyno,..and is is very up to date. If I went to another local dyno jet, trust me, the car would make alot more power. This dyno has always been dead nuts on, with everycar i've every brought there....which is well over 60-70 cars.

Thanks for the compliment on the setup. I've worked hard on it.
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Oh wow. You were looking really good in this post until you started bashing automatics.


It's not a bashing thing man. But,..it seems the norm for people here....that if they CAN'T bang gears,....or just can't make it down the track....or they have a DEDICATED drag car....they they switch out to an automatic setup.

Thats not for me.

So, when someone says they go 9's with there auto....yes, it is a task, and it is a respected feat but,...swap in a manual and show me what you can do. Anyone can throw tons of power in a car,...strap in an automatic,...point....shoot...and there you go.

It takes a god given talent to muscle a car throw it's gears,...and keep it straight, and be accelerating at the same time, gaining ground, not loosing it.

So...impressed with an auto car going 9's?.....ah,..yes and no.

Not bashing it,...just saying, congratulations,...you've got a dedicated 1/4 mile car. I,..have a 6 speed vette, and I intend to use them all.
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Im just trying to help people Ive wasted so much money on these cars by trial and error its not even funny so I try to lead people in what works at the track for the best money spent if u look at my car not alot of bling just go fast stuff

Here I will even help u out with the diff call DTE or RPM get the new zo6 rear change the shafts put some qa1 on the rear and a 90/10 drag shock on the front and your good to go

And I can appreciate that. I'm a firm believer in speaking my mind. I'm a firm believer in telling people what they do or do not need. I never make my customers buy something that there gonna remove later down the road.

I hear you.

But,..when someone starts to throw out " oh well,..it doesn't make squat on the dyno"... ok well, dyno's don't always show a true measure of horsepower in the real world. Thats all I ment by this. You simply can't ALWAYS believe in the dyno. If you do(anyone, not you in general) but...that would just make you a dyno racer....and for the most part....not a realist.

I'm not trying to argue, or blow smoke up anyones butt. Just saying.... IT WILL MAKE MORE POWER then an LS6. It should. We have always made more power with the setup. I agree, there are MUCH better ways to spend money but,...if the dude wants it,..the dude wants it.

It won't make the car ANY slower.
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Here I will even help u out with the diff call DTE or RPM get the new zo6 rear change the shafts put some qa1 on the rear and a 90/10 drag shock on the front and your good to go


Thanks. I can't afford an aftermarket diff. I have coilovers. I have a complete CCW drag pack with slicks for when I want to go drag racing. I'll do what I can, when I can but,... I won't be buying an aftermarket diff, any time soon. I'm on a major budget.... 1300 bucks...is not realistic to me....let alone, 6500 bucks.
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I just stated my facts said nothing towards u or nothting smart towards u!! Truth is u have no ideal what your car will run its just a dyno queen right now as far as changing gears I took a viper down the track last year changing gears and ran a 9.47 at 148 so I guess I change gears ok I drive gezzers car for him also not as fast as the viper but its still fun to drive I race in all kinds of car. and u want to talk about what goes on on the street cant talk about it here but go to the link below I love the streets but I dont do the roll racing gotta be from a dig

And another thing is it really smart to build thats high of a horsepower car on a stock bottom end.

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So you are a 'know it all shop' who is into street racing? This 60 year old has a feeling someone is about to get banned again
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I just stated my facts said nothing towards u or nothting smart towards u!! Truth is u have no ideal what your car will run its just a dyno queen right now as far as changing gears I took a viper down the track last year changing gears and ran a 9.47 at 148 so I guess I change gears ok I drive gezzers car for him also not as fast as the viper but its still fun to drive I race in all kinds of car. and u want to talk about what goes on on the street cant talk about it here but go to the link below I love the streets but I dont do the roll racing gotta be from a dig

And another thing is it really smart to build thats high of a horsepower car on a stock bottom end.
Ok,...again, congrats on your gear rowing ( ) ...and enjoy your auto.

As far as WHY I built what I have,...was because I can,..and that was my option at the moment. I spun a rod bearing on an LS1,..had an LS6 laying around...through it together with a procharger...found a twin turbo kit...and here I am.

Any more questions dude? We can get scientific if you'd like.



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So you are a 'know it all shop' who is into street racing? This 60 year old has a feeling someone is about to get banned again
You see, thats what I mean. "...I have a feeling someones going to get banned".... ok... why's that,...did you pm them and say hey,..this guy is voicing his opinion just a little too much,..and I don't want him here. Did it go something like that?

I've made no direct insults, and i've tried to keep focus of this topic.

For the record, i'm not a shop, I work at one. Simple as that. I'm a technician,...I put together ideas for friends and customers....then install them. Simple as that. My car, is my buisness card. I don't support or recommend street racing,.....again, my car is being aimed towards the standing mile. It is also a street car. Do some simple math, and you can get an idea of what happens, on the street. I don't write, or go into any type of detail HERE about racing.

As far as the 60 year old comment,...it was just a wild guess. DIdn't mean anything negative about it, and I ment no disrespect. I appreciate your help in the past, and possibly in the future. Nothing personal...just the internet

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