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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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I am currently running about 8lbs of boost on my completly stock ls6 and making 538hp to the wheels(whith a Kenne Bell 2.6).

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Do you think a stock ls6 will handle a couple more pounds of boost if add meth and some more timing. Or should I just add meth and timing and leave the boost alone.

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I ran 10psi on my stock LS6 with my KB 2.8 with meth made 580rwh and broke a ring land a few months later. I think it was due to tune tho.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 02:38 PM
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At 10 psi you will be on the edge. Meth will be needed for sure.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 03:05 PM
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10psi with my kenne bell broke 5 of my ringlands.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 05:23 PM
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With meth + a good tune by someone who knows exactly what they are doing you should be able to make 600+rwhp w/o problems.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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With meth + a good tune by someone who knows exactly what they are doing you should be able to make 600+rwhp w/o problems.
With all of the above for sure. Hard to fine all of the above. Ever one out here with a hptuner in his hands thinks he can do better than everone out there.
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With two people right off the bat popping up saying they damaged their motor I would say the answer is 'no'. Unless you are ready to do a forged motor and just looking for a reason.
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Old Aug 2, 2009 | 09:21 PM
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Thanks for the info guys. I'm just gonna add the meth and take it back to my tuner and get it retuned, and call it good for now. Then around the beginning of October(end of the season) I'll throw a couple more pounds of boost at it and see what happens. A forged motor is planned for the winter I just want to make sure I make through the summer!
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With two people right off the bat popping up saying they damaged their motor I would say the answer is 'no'. Unless you are ready to do a forged motor and just looking for a reason.
Could have been alot due to a bad tune..... FOR SURE PUT THE METH TOO HER WITH TRYING TO PUSH THESE #... GOOD LUCK....
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Originally Posted by robert miller
Could have been alot due to a bad tune..... FOR SURE PUT THE METH TOO HER WITH TRYING TO PUSH THESE #... GOOD LUCK....
No doubt the tune has to be dead on, especially with all that TQ the KBs crank out
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If you can't afford to be wrong, let that be your guide. On the other hand, if you're looking for a reason to tell the wife you need a forged motor.............................
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If you can't afford to be wrong, let that be your guide. On the other hand, if you're looking for a reason to tell the wife you need a forged motor.............................
never tell her that. honey something is bad sounding with the car. may need something for it..
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Every KB car that we have done has been between 8.5 to 11psi. As long as you have a tuner that is worth anything, I would DEFINATELY do 10psi. I personally wouldnt really go any higher than that though unless you have methanol.

Remember.. boost is boost. So wether its on a KB or a TT, its still just boost. There are ALOT of guys who run 10+ psi. Alot of guys in this thread do. Some of them have melted motors cause their tune wasnt set up to run it, others are making over 700rwhp. So its really about the TUNER. If you trust that your tuner is the man, then go for it. If you dont, then dont touch it.

I've seen guys pop motors with 5psi. I've also seen 13-14psi and they run a really long time. So add the boost, and have the tuner take the necessary actions to overcome any potential issues.
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Originally Posted by Jeff @ TPE
Every KB car that we have done has been between 8.5 to 11psi. As long as you have a tuner that is worth anything, I would DEFINATELY do 10psi. I personally wouldnt really go any higher than that though unless you have methanol.

Remember.. boost is boost. So wether its on a KB or a TT, its still just boost. There are ALOT of guys who run 10+ psi. Alot of guys in this thread do. Some of them have melted motors cause their tune wasnt set up to run it, others are making over 700rwhp. So its really about the TUNER. If you trust that your tuner is the man, then go for it. If you dont, then dont touch it.

I've seen guys pop motors with 5psi. I've also seen 13-14psi and they run a really long time. So add the boost, and have the tuner take the necessary actions to overcome any potential issues.

I was hoping you see this and give me your opinion. I do trust my tuner, and I have a meth kit on the way. So I need a smaller pulley. Do you have one that will put me at about 10lbs. I'm not sure off hand what size I have now but it's the original one that came with my kit.

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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 03:47 AM
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6 or 8 rib?

If its a 6 rib, then its most likely either a 3 7/8 or a 4. If its an 8 rib, its either a 3.75 or 4". But its really important to know. 6 rib pulleys go in 1/8" incraments. 8 ribs are in 1/4". The 6 rib pulley is roughly 1-1.25psi for every 1/8th. The 8 rib pulley is roughly 2-2.5psi for every 1/4".

Let me know what you have, and i'll see if I got one.
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I was hoping you see this and give me your opinion. I do trust my tuner, and I have a meth kit on the way. So I need a smaller pulley. Do you have one that will put me at about 10lbs. I'm not sure off hand what size I have now but it's the original one that came with my kit.

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Originally Posted by Jeff @ TPE
Every KB car that we have done has been between 8.5 to 11psi. As long as you have a tuner that is worth anything, I would DEFINATELY do 10psi. I personally wouldnt really go any higher than that though unless you have methanol.

Remember.. boost is boost. So wether its on a KB or a TT, its still just boost. There are ALOT of guys who run 10+ psi. Alot of guys in this thread do. Some of them have melted motors cause their tune wasnt set up to run it, others are making over 700rwhp. So its really about the TUNER. If you trust that your tuner is the man, then go for it. If you dont, then dont touch it.

I've seen guys pop motors with 5psi. I've also seen 13-14psi and they run a really long time. So add the boost, and have the tuner take the necessary actions to overcome any potential issues.
Jeff- can you explain the benefits of a custom tune over the tune that comes with the KB kit? I guess the tune in the kit is a safe tune for a stock car? Would there be a reason to have a stock car tuned rather than using the tune in the kit?
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The tune in the complete kit is more of a "canned" tune. I have never seen a tune from any manufacturer hit the nail on the head. Baqsically, its a generally safe tune set for 7psi, that allows the end user to install the kit in his garage, and drive it out. Its also the tune that is required for CARB approval. So they tend not to be power friendly.

Finally, 2 years ago, KB switched to 37.7lb injectors. For this, I no longer sell or install the "Complete" kits. I prefer to get the 400.00 discount for the customer, then add a set of 60lb injectors and a custom tune. This not only gives you much better fuel control, but the tune is maximized for YOUR application.

HTH.

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Jeff- can you explain the benefits of a custom tune over the tune that comes with the KB kit? I guess the tune in the kit is a safe tune for a stock car? Would there be a reason to have a stock car tuned rather than using the tune in the kit?
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Originally Posted by Jeff @ TPE
The tune in the complete kit is more of a "canned" tune. I have never seen a tune from any manufacturer hit the nail on the head. Baqsically, its a generally safe tune set for 7psi, that allows the end user to install the kit in his garage, and drive it out. Its also the tune that is required for CARB approval. So they tend not to be power friendly.

Finally, 2 years ago, KB switched to 37.7lb injectors. For this, I no longer sell or install the "Complete" kits. I prefer to get the 400.00 discount for the customer, then add a set of 60lb injectors and a custom tune. This not only gives you much better fuel control, but the tune is maximized for YOUR application.

HTH.
I see. So even if I install the kit, I will need it tuned. Does it have to be towed to a tuner shop or can it be driven?
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If you know anyone with HP tuners, I can email you the tune to load up so you can drive it around.

OR, the KB has a cool little switch next to the blower. Its called a "Valet Switch" It allows you to lock the bypass open, allowing the car to drive around in essentially stock mode. This way you could drive to your tuner with no problems.

If you dont have a friend with HP tuners, you could always ship me your PCM. I can load a base tune for you, and send it back. I'll do this for free when you purchase your blower from us.
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I see. So even if I install the kit, I will need it tuned. Does it have to be towed to a tuner shop or can it be driven?
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Originally Posted by Jeff @ TPE
OR, the KB has a cool little switch next to the blower. Its called a "Valet Switch" It allows you to lock the bypass open, allowing the car to drive around in essentially stock mode. This way you could drive to your tuner with no problems.
That's pretty
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