Maggies with Meth Warning!
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Maggies with Meth Warning!
I have posted up in the past the hazards of using Meth/Alky with Maggies.
Yesterday at SEMA I had a long and detailed discussion with Magnuson about this very issue.
I was told face to face that without a doubt spraying meth/alky/water will ruin the Teflon coated rotors in a Maggie.
Paraphrasing the best I can.
Maggie rotors are Teflon Coated to close tolerances and during the first few minutes of use wear-in to create optimum seal through a process they refer to as fingerprinting. When sprayed it changes the FP and will caused chipping that leads to the Teflon coming off. They have seen rotors that look like they were bead blasted and polished due to injecting fluids.
Yesterday at SEMA I had a long and detailed discussion with Magnuson about this very issue.
I was told face to face that without a doubt spraying meth/alky/water will ruin the Teflon coated rotors in a Maggie.
Paraphrasing the best I can.
Maggie rotors are Teflon Coated to close tolerances and during the first few minutes of use wear-in to create optimum seal through a process they refer to as fingerprinting. When sprayed it changes the FP and will caused chipping that leads to the Teflon coming off. They have seen rotors that look like they were bead blasted and polished due to injecting fluids.
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That sucks! I'd called them about this very issue and heard pretty much the exact opposite. They said that if the teflon was cheaply put on that it'd flake etc. This was a while back though. Also called Snow about it and they said spraying meth was ok as long as it wasn't into a centri/turbo because of the speeds the blades get to.
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... can you spray after the rotors? or would that be just plain stupid? i know you would loose the cooling effects onto the rotors - but isnt the IC after the rotors anyway? Maybe just spray on top of the IC?
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I will have to look for it now, but I have IN WRITING, from Magnuson, the OK to use methanol injection with their chargers.
Between that, and that now we have had customers making big power (for a Maggie
) with meth injection for years now, and many-many miles, I would not hesitate for a second to use meth injection.
I'm not sure who gave you that info, but it does not coincide with our findings, or what their engineers clearly stated to us.
hope that helps.
Between that, and that now we have had customers making big power (for a Maggie
) with meth injection for years now, and many-many miles, I would not hesitate for a second to use meth injection.I'm not sure who gave you that info, but it does not coincide with our findings, or what their engineers clearly stated to us.
hope that helps.
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This is good info I just hope it's not oo late for a lot of Maggie owners
Thanks,Matt
This is good info I just hope it's not oo late for a lot of Maggie owners
Thanks,Matt
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I don’t buy it. This has been brought up before and to date has been nothing more than unsubstantiated hearsay. If it were true I think someone would have posted details along with pictures by now.
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I run a maggie with meth in my CTS-V. No issues to date, a little over 10k miles on it so far. (not including previous owner)
I do plan to post pics of the rotors if I ever take it off to get reworked/upgraded for just this topic.
I do plan to post pics of the rotors if I ever take it off to get reworked/upgraded for just this topic.
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This isnt new. This has been a known fact for years now. The coating on the rotors will start to come off after long use of methanol.
That being said, it doesnt take away from the fact that it still works well. The maggie dosent internally compress the air, so it's not dependent on the extremely tight tolerances like the twin screws. What this means, is you can still have bead blasted rotors, and still work just fine. Its not until it gets really really bad, that it has an issue.
Its really one of those "pick your poison" kinda things.
BTW, anyone see those Edelbrock TVS units at SEMA?? WOW those were nice. They said they tried to work with maggie, but were told to pound sand. So they went to Eaton (Maggies parent company). Regardless, they look really nice for a low/moderate boost application.
That being said, it doesnt take away from the fact that it still works well. The maggie dosent internally compress the air, so it's not dependent on the extremely tight tolerances like the twin screws. What this means, is you can still have bead blasted rotors, and still work just fine. Its not until it gets really really bad, that it has an issue.
Its really one of those "pick your poison" kinda things.
BTW, anyone see those Edelbrock TVS units at SEMA?? WOW those were nice. They said they tried to work with maggie, but were told to pound sand. So they went to Eaton (Maggies parent company). Regardless, they look really nice for a low/moderate boost application.
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This isnt new. This has been a known fact for years now. The coating on the rotors will start to come off after long use of methanol.
That being said, it doesnt take away from the fact that it still works well. The maggie dosent internally compress the air, so it's not dependent on the extremely tight tolerances like the twin screws. What this means, is you can still have bead blasted rotors, and still work just fine. Its not until it gets really really bad, that it has an issue.
Its really one of those "pick your poison" kinda things.
BTW, anyone see those Edelbrock TVS units at SEMA?? WOW those were nice. They said they tried to work with maggie, but were told to pound sand. So they went to Eaton (Maggies parent company). Regardless, they look really nice for a low/moderate boost application.
That being said, it doesnt take away from the fact that it still works well. The maggie dosent internally compress the air, so it's not dependent on the extremely tight tolerances like the twin screws. What this means, is you can still have bead blasted rotors, and still work just fine. Its not until it gets really really bad, that it has an issue.
Its really one of those "pick your poison" kinda things.
BTW, anyone see those Edelbrock TVS units at SEMA?? WOW those were nice. They said they tried to work with maggie, but were told to pound sand. So they went to Eaton (Maggies parent company). Regardless, they look really nice for a low/moderate boost application.
I would expect they may develop a hood and/or sell it as a tuner package for the LS1
btw it seemed like every Camaro there had a Maggie on it!
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I will have to look for it now, but I have IN WRITING, from Magnuson, the OK to use methanol injection with their chargers.
Between that, and that now we have had customers making big power (for a Maggie) with meth injection for years now, and many-many miles, I would not hesitate for a second to use meth injection.
I'm not sure who gave you that info, but it does not coincide with our findings, or what their engineers clearly stated to us.
hope that helps.
Between that, and that now we have had customers making big power (for a Maggie
) with meth injection for years now, and many-many miles, I would not hesitate for a second to use meth injection.I'm not sure who gave you that info, but it does not coincide with our findings, or what their engineers clearly stated to us.
hope that helps.
they went 10's with a maggie, and nobody else is even close....
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You can choose to believe it or not.
I have the utmost respect for ECS but I still would tend to believe the manufacturer.
btw. There have been quite a few Maggie C5s in the 10s
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I will have to look for it now, but I have IN WRITING, from Magnuson, the OK to use methanol injection with their chargers.
Between that, and that now we have had customers making big power (for a Maggie) with meth injection for years now, and many-many miles, I would not hesitate for a second to use meth injection.
I'm not sure who gave you that info, but it does not coincide with our findings, or what their engineers clearly stated to us.
hope that helps.
Between that, and that now we have had customers making big power (for a Maggie
) with meth injection for years now, and many-many miles, I would not hesitate for a second to use meth injection.I'm not sure who gave you that info, but it does not coincide with our findings, or what their engineers clearly stated to us.
hope that helps.
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so doug, if you don't mind me asking what kind of numbers / build are you putting down with this build?
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This isnt new. This has been a known fact for years now. The coating on the rotors will start to come off after long use of methanol.
That being said, it doesnt take away from the fact that it still works well. The maggie dosent internally compress the air, so it's not dependent on the extremely tight tolerances like the twin screws. What this means, is you can still have bead blasted rotors, and still work just fine. Its not until it gets really really bad, that it has an issue.
Its really one of those "pick your poison" kinda things.
BTW, anyone see those Edelbrock TVS units at SEMA?? WOW those were nice. They said they tried to work with maggie, but were told to pound sand. So they went to Eaton (Maggies parent company). Regardless, they look really nice for a low/moderate boost application.
That being said, it doesnt take away from the fact that it still works well. The maggie dosent internally compress the air, so it's not dependent on the extremely tight tolerances like the twin screws. What this means, is you can still have bead blasted rotors, and still work just fine. Its not until it gets really really bad, that it has an issue.
Its really one of those "pick your poison" kinda things.
BTW, anyone see those Edelbrock TVS units at SEMA?? WOW those were nice. They said they tried to work with maggie, but were told to pound sand. So they went to Eaton (Maggies parent company). Regardless, they look really nice for a low/moderate boost application.
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If it was detrimental to the blades, he would have been the first to see it a long, long time ago.
Believe real world results, or someone yapping. You choose for yourself.
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St. Jude Donor '06 & '12
But again, just because someone does it, doesnt make it right.
There are hundreds of documented cased with pictures on the net. We have seen dozens of rotors like that.
If the rotors are sprayed with heavy methanol, they WILL pit. Just like aluminum will pit with Alky. BUT, the maggies aren't dependent on internal compression, so they will continue to work just fine. That being said, there is no doubt that FUNCOOL isnt running alky, and doing it successfully. That is because although the Alky can hurt the rotors over a long period of time, the rotors will still work just fine until they have reached that critical point. His just arent at that point. They may never be.It may take longer than the ownership of the blower.
There are hundreds of documented cased with pictures on the net. We have seen dozens of rotors like that.
If the rotors are sprayed with heavy methanol, they WILL pit. Just like aluminum will pit with Alky. BUT, the maggies aren't dependent on internal compression, so they will continue to work just fine. That being said, there is no doubt that FUNCOOL isnt running alky, and doing it successfully. That is because although the Alky can hurt the rotors over a long period of time, the rotors will still work just fine until they have reached that critical point. His just arent at that point. They may never be.It may take longer than the ownership of the blower.