You obviously have nothing to contribute to this thread, or any hope in it succeeding, or any interest in it, so WHY do you lurk ??? Go start a thread about twin turbos or big centris if that's your thing...or discuss them in one of the threads about them. Why do you have to keep popping up over here ? The internet is a BIG place, go bother someone else already.

 

Wow, go away on vacation and miss all this. OP, doubt you are going to get much information that pertains to C5's on this topic. I been around here a while now and have never seen one of these setups actually get done with results. You have run into a topic that always runs off the tracks, like every other time it has come up which has been several. Turbo diesels and Fords always come up in the conversation and then the insults start flying. Usually the OP gets all bent out of shape cause the forum public ain't down with their idea then everybody starts tossing around ****, not that that is what happened here. Several forum members have tossed drug on top of boost with strong results but not boost on boost. I'm not saying it can't be done, sure it can with enough $$$ and moving stuff around underhood, not much space if ya haven't noticed. Plus the cars are pretty light so the giant TQ monsters have all kinds of traction issues.

What I would like to see is you get so determined to prove the board wrong that ya actually get it done! That would be awesome the ya can come on back and tell all the naysayer they don't know nothing and to go suck it!

Carry on,

PC

 

Still laughing on this, spot on!

 

You really need to go back and read how all this started.

 

It started with you being an *******. And that hasn't changed.

 

Y2K ya did bring up solid fuel rockets first, classic BTW, so he has a point! What can ya say, some people get your humor/style, others just get offended.



PC

 

Go read his FIRST post, number 13 on the first page where he starts with "Bro...NO ONE does this..." and tell me that was meant to be humorous and not condescending and arrogant. NO ONE ? Hellion will dispute you on this, and that company that twin turbos Ford GTs while keeping the PD on there. I wasn't angry or defensive about anything until that post...so who started it ? Whatever.

 

I did read it, that's where I got the solid fuel comment, you and I just get different meanings that's all. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, having read many of his posts over the years, when he said no one, he means no one here. This is after all Corvette Forum C5 FI/NOS. Some of our members don't realize, or care, that there is much of a world outside of this. I'm not saying he falls into that but as I said, I have yet to see one person on this board make compound boost work in a C5. Its costly enough getting these things to perform going SC or Turbo let alone putting both into the equation.

I just don't see where you will get a constructive conversation on this topic, in this section on an actual C5 or C6 for that matter.

Carry on all,



PC

 

Ya, but why is that ? And what is a different meaning ? He's either a dick or he isn't...pretty black or white to me.

 

That's a pretty narrow view or way to look at the world huh? Somebody doesn't fit into your definition of acceptable so they are dicks? Where's it stop, race, religion, gender? There's a whole world of gray out there and developing a bit of tolerance for different views and ways to express them opens up a whole new set of perspective and experience. The old saying goes a bird of a feather flock together, not so sure that's a great way to expand your views on the world though.

Back to your normal programing,

PC

 

I'M the intolerant one ??? WOW. I asked for a civil discussion and Y2K comes in all arrogant and know it all, but I'M THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM ? whatever. He's still a dick...and I know I'm not the only one who sees it that way. Good enough for me.

 

Meh, stop being so hard on yourself. You have an opinion, great, so does everybody else and guess what, that's ok! That's all I'm trying to say here. We don't really need to go out of our way to point out every last person as an *** that gets on our nerves, just to much work over nothing for me.

Hey, maybe you could try this question over on the Mustang Forum and see what they have to say, then come back and let us know.

PC

 

Read the Car Craft or Hot Rod story to see the results of Hellion's upgrades to 03-04 Cobras and GT500s...they were impressed with the power, and even more so with the driveability and construction of the kits.

 

So I looked at the 03 04 Cobras you are talking about. Did a search on the topic and turned up conversations like this, http://www.modularfords.com/threads/...-Still-Running Also, in more recent threads seems like the idea is mostly dead. Motors blowing, complexity, tuning issues, lack of traction to name just a few of the stated issues. One guy pulled the SC unit, setup it up for turbo, made 1000rwp+ and ran mid nines at like 150. Didn't get that on compound setup, becides dyno number I'm just not impressed.

Been fun and done. GL finding what ya are looking for,

PC

 

Had a twin charged GT500 in my area and local shop. Whipple with hellion twin turbo and E85 from what I remember. Very cool car with nice TQ curve but on the top end I think the whipple was restricting the flow potential of the turbos into the motor. I think it made 900-1000rwhp and TQ tho which was pretty damn stout.

 

I think the whipple was restricting the flow potential of the turbos into the motor. (at top end)

THIS^^^^^^^

if you are interested in a few more builds get in touch with rick dobbertin

he did a tt roots bb chevy in the old blue nova

and a TT twin magnuson j2000

both were show cars and I never saw any dyno runs but they were interesting

more than a few companies use a blower that then cuts over to a fully spooled turbo to take over from there

if you want to do this, with some nicely flowing diverters and a mad max clutch on the blower have fun

I'll stick to my TTiX system. they spool plenty early and don't give up on top

to each his own. it's your wallet

 

We've done this, and as most have stated in here, it's not practical. If you're looking for something really cool, makes ALOT of weird noises, that get's alot of attention, and that you can say "I'm TT AND SC!!!" than sure go for it.

But the reality of it is it's useless. The SC eats alot of energy. 100whp to be exact on our setup. Below 4000 RPM's there was more tq and more power, but nothing so huge everyone should run out and try this. I mean, we could generate 30psi at 1500 RPMs, but that's not quite as powerful as it seems. At 1500RPMs the cam is still WAY outside it's efficiency range, so the gains were.....ehee.. The downside is that the IAT's where all MUCH higher, and anything after 4000RPMs lost power do to driving the SC; and we compared it at multiple boost levels.

Now I'm not sure about you, but when I want power, it's because I wanna go fast!!! And when I wanna go fast, I don't spend a whole lot of time below 4000 RPMs. Hell, I'm above that when I come out of the hole!

Sure it produced a better tq curve below 4K (where it doesn't really mater anyways), but a simple light shot of NO2 worked MUCH better than the SC did! Way better gains, way lower IAT's, I could shut it off when I didn't want it, and no power draw up top. When only using it to spool it would activate at 2500RPMs and literally spray for 0.5-0.75 seconds. With no-lift-to-shift, it would only be active once. A 10lb bottle would last forever!

So sure, it "can" be done, but again why? Lots of complexity, lots of cost, cheaper/simpler/easier/better ways to do the same thing, and all you end up with when you're done is the ability to brag "well mines BOTH!". And generally when you're impressing someone with this, it's because they don't know you've just made your car worse!

CK

 

Well said, CK.

 

holy goodness!! what happened here?

...and let's leave the services out of this

 

OP, I saw this today. It's on an engine dyno and setup for a 5th Gen Camaro, but it's along the lines of what you are discussing.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/gen-5-cama...200hp-ls3.html