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Old May 30, 2016 | 02:01 PM
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I've been chasing a boost leak,I have a SC LS 427,I did a leak down test, & 7 of the cylinders ranged from 88 to 90psi @ a 100 psi coming in,One cylinder was @ 75psi @ 100psi coming in,But air was coming out of the rocker arm bolt hole on the intake side and it was the only cylinder that did it,Could there be a problem with the head,Could that be my boost leak?
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Did you pressure up the blower system with compressed air and check it all for leaks with soapy water?

Make sure to check the BOV for leaks. A buddy found his Tial 50 BOV with the o ring half off and folded between the piston and the seat.
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Bolt holes often go through on ported heads. Should be installed with sealant.
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I've been chasing a boost leak,I have a SC LS 427,I did a leak down test, & 7 of the cylinders ranged from 88 to 90psi @ a 100 psi coming in,One cylinder was @ 75psi @ 100psi coming in,But air was coming out of the rocker arm bolt hole on the intake side and it was the only cylinder that did it,Could there be a problem with the head,Could that be my boost leak?
Did you lock the piston at the top of the cylinder or just put the gauge on it and see what you got? If its the latter, your test is faulty. The piston needs to be up in the bore to prevent from getting skewed #'s with the leakdown test. No way the rocker arm bolt hole is leaking badly enough to cause a significant boost leak. Like AJ said, pressurize the entire system from the inlet of the supercharger to the intake and look for your leaks.
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Did you lock the piston at the top of the cylinder or just put the gauge on it and see what you got? If its the latter, your test is faulty. The piston needs to be up in the bore to prevent from getting skewed #'s with the leakdown test. No way the rocker arm bolt hole is leaking badly enough to cause a significant boost leak. Like AJ said, pressurize the entire system from the inlet of the supercharger to the intake and look for your leaks.
I did that and found a leak in the intercooler and a medium size leak coming out of the IAT sensor,I fixed all the leaks going from the SC to the throttlebody and ran the car with no IC and still the boost ramps down.I took the rocker arms off and did a leak down in that one cylinder and its leaking air out of the bolt hole that holds intake side of the rocker,My guess is it has to be a bent or burnt valve,No air should be coming out of that hole with both valve's closed.And its the only cylinder that does it,The others do not.Im taking the head off tomorrow.

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I pressurized the intake tubing and air was coming out of the SC,is that normal?
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I believe you remove the intake tube from the outlet of the sc and cap it off to test leaks for the intake. Makes sense air leaks out of the sc
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not sure why it would make sense to have boost leaking out the supercharger? Last time I did a boost leak on my car I don't remember my procharger leaking there.
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Yes they will seap a little air out of the supercharger volute seal.. It's not a big boost leak.

My procharger seaps some. Also if you have any unused holes in the volute, make sure to put set screws (screw plugs) in them to prevent air leaks.
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I had a jeep recently I chased a cylinder misfire issue with and did a leak down, was coming out the exhaust and assumed it was an exhaust valve. Turned out to be the seat, maybe under boost it's bleeding down out seat???
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And again your problem given size of boost reduction ( if of course this measurement is accurate ) will still be belt slip, or a coupling not secured correctly.

Tiny boost leaks will not have the effect you describe...because they are tiny.

Where and how are you reading boost pressure ?
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makes sense but I just have never experienced a broken/burnt valve seat on a FI car, hopefully just turns out to be something simple.
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I had a jeep recently I chased a cylinder misfire issue with and did a leak down, was coming out the exhaust and assumed it was an exhaust valve. Turned out to be the seat, maybe under boost it's bleeding down out seat???
Something like that will almost always show as very very low or no compression on a compression test, and should of course show up on a leakdown test.

it is not the problem here though
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If I have both rocker arms off and I try filling that cylinder with air and its leaking out of the bolt hole where the intake rocker goes,Thats a bent/burnt intake valve or broken or leaking valve seat.

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If I have both rocker arms off and I try filling that cylinder with air and its leaking out of the bolt hole where the intake rocker goes,Thats a bent/burnt intake valve or broken or leaking valve seat.
In that test scenario, and you're filling via the plug hole, then yes something is well ****ed.
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While you're checking things, make sure the key on the supercharger pulley isn't sheared off. The only way to truly tell is to remove the pulley entirely because when they shear, the top half of the key stays in the pulley and the bottom stays in the shaft and it's always possible they are aligned even though the key is sheared. Some volutes have the bolt holes drilled all the way through into the volute and some don't. If your bolt holes are drilled all the way through, I recommend getting some allen set screws and running them into the empty holes.
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
Something like that will almost always show as very very low or no compression on a compression test, and should of course show up on a leakdown test.

it is not the problem here though
Not really, compression was not that far off and under load miss went away. Via leak down...but as said may not be issue here!
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Originally Posted by BLOWNBLUEZ06
While you're checking things, make sure the key on the supercharger pulley isn't sheared off. The only way to truly tell is to remove the pulley entirely because when they shear, the top half of the key stays in the pulley and the bottom stays in the shaft and it's always possible they are aligned even though the key is sheared. Some volutes have the bolt holes drilled all the way through into the volute and some don't. If your bolt holes are drilled all the way through, I recommend getting some allen set screws and running them into the empty holes.
OK thanks I will check that.Tomorrow I'm going to pull the head off and out whats wrong.
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Burnt valve
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pic isnt very clear, is there actually a section damaged ?

And did you ever do a compression test ?
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