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Hey all, does anyone think a Novi 1500 installed from East coast supercharging for $7,999 is too high? I've seen the same kits on here for sale brand new with the coupon code for $5100 made from ecs. They're still making money. Seems like it's $2,900 for labor and a tune, I live in New York there about 2 and 1/2 hours away from me. What do you think??They have great reviews I talked to a few gentlemen there sound very nice and knowledgeable
Last edited by Usmc,zo6; Jul 22, 2020 at 09:17 PM.
If you want it installed and tuned directly by ECS, the price they charge is the price they charge. If you want a cheaper price, ask them and see what they can do. I'm confident you can find a closer shop to install and tune it for cheaper, but make sure you do research before choosing and get several recommendations.
Saying things like "they're still making money" is definitely going to get you nowhere with any established, reputable business. If you don't like their prices, just move on and hope you don't learn the hard way why they can charge the price they charge
If you want it installed and tuned directly by ECS, the price they charge is the price they charge. If you want a cheaper price, ask them and see what they can do. I'm confident you can find a closer shop to install and tune it for cheaper, but make sure you do research before choosing and get several recommendations.
Saying things like "they're still making money" is definitely going to get you nowhere with any established, reputable business. If you don't like their prices, just move on and hope you don't learn the hard way why they can charge the price they charge
^That. There is no negotiating shop rates or the time required to install this system with the company who designed and subsequently installed hundreds if not thousands of these systems themselves. There are plenty of shops willing to take your money to install it but "you get what you pay for" has never been more true than when you are talking about building cars.
I totally understand you get what you pay for, and they have a very good reputation, I ask because some vendors on here advertise the same blower installed and tuned for $6200.00. That's a price difference of $1,800 for supposedly the same outcome
I totally understand you get what you pay for, and they have a very good reputation, I ask because some vendors on here advertise the same blower installed and tuned for $6200.00. That's a price difference of $1,800 for supposedly the same outcome
lots of times A&A and ECS run an install sale and you get a very good deal
installing the blower and grenading your engine with a bad tune is a lousy deal regardless of the few bucks you might save
get an experienced tuner package and pay the piper
The non tangible value of the installer is how many they have installed. A shop like ECS can probably bang them out quickly. And you're paying for their expertise in knowing all the pitfalls and shortcuts and how to do it right. If one shop charged 1500 and another charged 2300 and I knew one had installed hundreds vs another installed ten, I'd say I was paying 800 for experience.
But I'm usually the other side of the coin where anything worth doing, is best done by me. I learn as I go often, but I also know every piece I've worked on is done right and no shortcuts or buggery is involved. The only person I have paid to do any amount of work for me is Bret Bradbury, and that is because his demands for excellence and his experience both outshine my own.
You can talk to them and mention the same thing. You see the kit they make being installed by shops that are ECS vendors. These vendors that are selling their parts for considerable less than straight through ECS. Then ask them if they can work with you on the price. Don't expect them to match the other shops price exactly but they might come down on price for you. Keep in mind they have competition and A&A has a great kit too. ECS and A&A might be able to recommend one their vendors that is closer to you and reputable.
I totally understand you get what you pay for, and they have a very good reputation, I ask because some vendors on here advertise the same blower installed and tuned for $6200.00. That's a price difference of $1,800 for supposedly the same outcome
I think there's one, maybe two, vendors here that advertise that price. They're basically choosing to take the hit on the install so they can 1) still make the kit sale profit, and 2) make up for the lower install profit by way of volume of installs that the price attracts.
The only things that kept me from installing my own kit were the oil pan drilling (older V2) and crank pinning. If you're comfortable doing the install, you can save a ton of coin and still drive it carefully to a tuner. But if you'd prefer to pay someone to do the install, look at either kit's directions and you'll see there's much more to the install than just "installing the blower".
Mine was a used kit that still had a few missing parts, but the install took 2 months at an independent shop (plus another month at the tuner) vs the 1 week it would have taken at a shop like A&A and ECS. Once you go through it, you'll realize there are a lot more factors involved than just cost when it comes to installing something like this. If I had to do everything all over again, I'd gladly have bought a brand new kit installed at A&A and saved a year of headaches and unexpected costs. But I'm sure I'm one of the few exceptions.
Crucial point: the tune / tuner is the make or break point for your install.
If you're not able to do this for yourself, you end up not paying for peace of mind but paying to not have pieces pistons in your pan.
Right in my town I have a few local tuners who cover everything from hopped up civics to 2k awhp GTRs. One of the successful shops which somehow stays in business has had enough LSs grenade now that it cannot be denied as anything but a trend. Things happen when you go racing, sure, but when it keeps coming from the same place which does as steady business as their neighbors.... Eh.
And for all this thread's discussion, if you're planning on a blower and on paying someone to do it the question really shine who can do it cheapest, but who can do the best competent job entirely separate from whatever they charge which in the end is a minor point.
Lots of good points being made here. While there are certainly quality shops around that can do the install, due to your location, you have the option of taking it to the place that actually makes the package for your car. There is a value in that.
My suggestion is to take it to ECS. While they might not offer a discount on the package install, they might be able to offer some upgrades at a discount. Doesn’t cost anything to make the phone call.
Thanks guys for all your input, I did speak to Chris he's a very nice guy,I'm going to bring it to them they're going to install a cam and head package,as well as change out the harmonic balancer and pin it and tune, that way later on down the road it's ready for me to do a home install of the blower,I'll simply bring it back to them and let those guys do their magic. I can't wait
Thanks guys for all your input, I did speak to Chris he's a very nice guy,I'm going to bring it to them they're going to install a cam and head package,as well as change out the harmonic balancer and pin it and tune, that way later on down the road it's ready for me to do a home install of the blower,I'll simply bring it back to them and let those guys do their magic. I can't wait
The cost of quality. ECS has been racing these packages for a long time and what they learn on the track helps them build very reliable and well thought out setups.
Contact them and see if they are offering a sale soon. even at that price, an installed and tuned setup is a pretty good deal!
installed. installed? what is installed? does it include pining the crank, a wideband sensor in the exhaust, a gage, tuning, tuning software, a custom air dam, fuel pump, wires to pump, injectors, a balancer ...? then you mention a cam.
im sure i can take off and install the blower itself in about 3 hours. its everything else that is time consuming. then you need more toe in in the rear to handle the power.
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