The Black Box
Racer
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Originally Posted by WhiteC5Vette
Sarcasm noted. Therefore, change this sentence to something less ambiguous. "Does this bother anyone else here? I know there are a few responsible geezers here but most of us buy a corvette for more than just waxing." Explain what "more than waxing" means. Does it mean driving, or photographing, speeding or cruising at highway speed. (Then again, I don't care, since I will not be visiting this thread anymore.)
I never directly noted you were the person who would exceed 100+ and honestly, don't care, as long as you are not around me.
If you are so paranoiod, remove the box, and if you get in a serious accident...you don't have to worry about the black box info.
"Nuff said.
I never directly noted you were the person who would exceed 100+ and honestly, don't care, as long as you are not around me.
If you are so paranoiod, remove the box, and if you get in a serious accident...you don't have to worry about the black box info.
"Nuff said.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Jun 2004
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From: St. Robert Missouri
Old Geezer / Codger / Bastard here 
There has been much discussion about the black-box pro and con. There are formula for calculating minimum speed relative to a motor vehicle accident based on road surface, braking, etc. The black box can act in your favor, but in this case it appears that if one is prone to speed without regard of the consequences then the black box can and will work against you. Using the excuse that "I'm the only car on the road" "No one else could get hurt but me" is lame because all accidents are considered when insurance rates are set. All in all, insurance rates for a performance car like the Vette is reasonable. Based partly on the fact that most Vette owners are mature and responsible drivers. From reading this Forum "Geezers" range in age from 17 to 70. Go GEEZERS 
There has been much discussion about the black-box pro and con. There are formula for calculating minimum speed relative to a motor vehicle accident based on road surface, braking, etc. The black box can act in your favor, but in this case it appears that if one is prone to speed without regard of the consequences then the black box can and will work against you. Using the excuse that "I'm the only car on the road" "No one else could get hurt but me" is lame because all accidents are considered when insurance rates are set. All in all, insurance rates for a performance car like the Vette is reasonable. Based partly on the fact that most Vette owners are mature and responsible drivers. From reading this Forum "Geezers" range in age from 17 to 70. Go GEEZERS
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by WhiteC5Vette
I don't guess, the product investigator who has this software sits 100 feet from my desk, and I have viewed, and played with the software.
"Nuff said.
"Nuff said.
Could you ask you buddy how to defeat this snitch box? A scematic diagram would be helpful. Maybe a copy of the software could be had. Is there a fuse that would defeat the box or does it just defeat the airbags and leaves the box active? I'm amazed that even on a Google search that nothing comes up on defeating this thing.This would be far more enlightening if we stayed away from the extreme of vehicular homocide. Let's all assume that we don't want to get our azzes handed to us on a run of the mill traffic accident.
whiteC5vette where abouts in TN do you live anyway? It's time for a road trip.
I'm easy to spot but I won't be sporting the numbers.
Supporting Tuner
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From: ================== Houston, Texas www.englandgreen.com ================== Necessary Evil™ __________
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St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14
Ask Patches or Evil-Twin. They both have direct lines into GM on stuff like this. There was a very long thread about 4 months ago all about exactly what/when/why the black box(es) record, for how long etc.
EG
EG
Burning Brakes
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From: The Villages FL
St. Jude Donor '13
AIR BAG SDM / BLACK BOX / CRASH DATA AVAILABLE (depending on year and model)
Vehicle speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Engine speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Brake status (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Throttle position (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Driver's seat belt state (On/Off)
Passenger's airbag enabled or disabled state (On/Off)
Airbag Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
Maximum Delta-V ( DV ) for near-deployment event
Delta-V ( DV ) vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum Delta-V ( DV )
Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within 5 seconds)
Click Here To Buy The Download Module if you want to read what is your module afrter the airbags go off!
Some more news here
And some more news here
Be careful out there.
Don
Vehicle speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Engine speed (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Brake status (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Throttle position (in five one-second intervals preceding impact)
Driver's seat belt state (On/Off)
Passenger's airbag enabled or disabled state (On/Off)
Airbag Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
Maximum Delta-V ( DV ) for near-deployment event
Delta-V ( DV ) vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum Delta-V ( DV )
Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within 5 seconds)
Click Here To Buy The Download Module if you want to read what is your module afrter the airbags go off!
Some more news here
And some more news here
Be careful out there.
Don
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jul 2003
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From: Fountain Inn, South Carolina
Nice post... Not only is that good information, but it sounds like realiable information. So were is my Opt-Out form 
In this electronic age big brother is always watching. Black boxes, your IMs, Emails, and Site histroy are recorded and saved by most ISP and in some cases sent to the FBI pending your web surfing patterns.
Now you have camera's on the highways, electronic speed traps... you name it, now you might get a ticket once for every 100 times you brake the law... imagine getting a ticket 100 times out of 100.
In this electronic age big brother is always watching. Black boxes, your IMs, Emails, and Site histroy are recorded and saved by most ISP and in some cases sent to the FBI pending your web surfing patterns.
Now you have camera's on the highways, electronic speed traps... you name it, now you might get a ticket once for every 100 times you brake the law... imagine getting a ticket 100 times out of 100.
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Racer
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From: Bergerac Dordogne
I don't give the black box thing a thought. I can't imagine how any lawyer worth his salt would not be able to shoot down anything in the recording.
My 'vette doesn't even know it has got a driver's seat most of the time.
The electronics in both the Corvettes I have owned have been soooo flakey that it is hard to believe that they're not really Italian. It probably thinks it's doing over a hundred miles an hour right now as it sits in the car port with its cover on . . . .
Yes, even cars can dream.
And somebody said earlier what is a 16 year old doing with a Hummer. That's very polite, I would ask what is a sentient being doing a vehicle like that? Can they really do 85mph without being thrown off of a cliff?
My 'vette doesn't even know it has got a driver's seat most of the time.
The electronics in both the Corvettes I have owned have been soooo flakey that it is hard to believe that they're not really Italian. It probably thinks it's doing over a hundred miles an hour right now as it sits in the car port with its cover on . . . .
Yes, even cars can dream.
And somebody said earlier what is a 16 year old doing with a Hummer. That's very polite, I would ask what is a sentient being doing a vehicle like that? Can they really do 85mph without being thrown off of a cliff?
Burning Brakes
Joined: Apr 2002
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From: The Villages FL
St. Jude Donor '13
If you really want to know more......
Here is a 3 minute video that summarizes the Event Data Recorder capabilities.
The last 90 seconds are very interesting.
Note this is a 2mb file for MS Windows Media Player.
Don
Here is a 3 minute video that summarizes the Event Data Recorder capabilities.
The last 90 seconds are very interesting.
Note this is a 2mb file for MS Windows Media Player.
Don
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From: decatur il
yup, my vette, MY black box and no one can have it without MY permission. if it is NOT my black box, then GM owes me about a thousand $ an hour for hauling it around. my vette so I get to set the rate per hour. think that's fair.
