By the way the Supra was discont in US in 98 but still made in JAPAN until 03 And the JAPANESE version also came with a V8 in it, yeah V8

Dont believe me ???? DO a GOOGLE SEARCH ""V8 SUPRA" then u will see


Ive seen some Japanese Touring car racing late at night on SPEED channel and they Would walk all over WC GT cars anyday


I cant believe PPl are talking $HIT on a SUPRAs

you guys should come down to CALI, ricers here have them RUNNING mid 9s at the track on slicks then drive them home!!!!!!!

And yes they are coming out with a 07 Supra and a V8 supposed to be an OPTION

Corvette is a CORVETTE
&
SUPRA is A SUPRA

I love all sport cars not JUST VETTES

 

It saddens me to see so much negativity on this forum. If you came over to SupraForums and asked the same question, we'd have a lot of positive things to say about the Z06 and seem to be more open minded about fast cars.

The most positive comment I have heard about Supras over on this board was a guy who said he treats Supras like he would a Viper...you just don't know if they are going to be unbelieveably fast or just bone stock.

I'm not going to sit here and argue that a Supra TT will run with a Z06 around a track bone stock because we all know it's not true. We also cannot debate how much heavier the Supra TT is than the Z06, and how much more modern the Z06's driver aids are (Active Handling, etc.). However, you should all realize that there are actually a few Supra enthusiasts out there (myself included) who actually like to turn in their Supras.

I look to the Z06 as the mold of what I'd like to build my Supra into. Power is easy with Supras...very, very easy. However, reducing weight, maintaining weight distribution, keeping the powerband from becoming too peaky, and keeping from spinning the wheels a lot is a difficult challenge for us when on track, and especially compared to the razor sharp reflexes of a car like the Z06.

However, just as you guys can make your LS6's have 600+ rwhp, we can make our Supras accelerate, brake, turn, and perform on par with Z06s. It's not easy, and it's usually not cheap (and most owners are only worried about going fast in a straight line), so you don't see it happen often. Also, having a 3.0L motor means we cannot run optimally under heavy boost and mods without some form of octane booster (usually race gas).

The Supra is a true Japanese engineering marvel. It's not for everyone, but it's one of the finest built sports cars in the price range ever made. Those of us who prize it for its rarity, reliability, and absolutely phenomenal potential are never ceased to amaze at the records our cars continue to set (1017 rwhp is the current record for a stock block Supra for instance).

I do lament the fact that not many are road raced (and barely any competitively), but I never let it curb my own enthusiasm for wanting to own this fine car. Just as your own cars bring a smile to your faces, the Supra provides the same type of experience for many other die-hard enthusiasts.

Your Z06s are incredible cars. I know I've nearly sold my Supra many times to own one as I do think they are incredible in so many respects. However, I'd ask that you not sell short another of the baddest cars on the road...the 1993-1998 Toyota Supra TT.

 

I have a zo6. I am trying to convince my dad to let me sell it for a supra. Anyone who says they are nothing, have not run into a well endowed single turbo supra. It will put a wooping on us. I need to find a way to convince him. that or an RX-7 but they seem to be alot of money to keep running well. Anyone have any good ideas to convince him. Just seems every time i am driving in my vette and my supra buddies are out i feel inferior towards them.

 

Also if my bank will let me finance a SUPRA TT i will def get one but i will need about 13K cash to get a SUpra to go with my VETTE!!

One day i will get one though, one day

 

anyone who talks garbage about supra's is talking out of their asses. The Supra is a great car, i was very impressed with its handling capabilities, and the power potential is still nearly unmatched. The amount of power that block can hold is simply amazing. Its sad that they are so overpriced because of fast and furious and the "import scene". Its simply not worth the amount of money people ask.

 

I've owned both, in fact had my 97 supra TT and 01 Z06 at the same time, for about 6 months. Like both cars for different reasons. Supra was a BPU setup and was great on the hwy with excellent high speed stability and truly had "camry" easy to drive manners, but was really tough to run out of the hole at the strip. Z06 is a mean lean bad ***, but with big cam you DO lose some of the streetability you would have stock. Almost kept the supra as the family car since it has 4 seats : ) Vette won because it is newer and faster at the track. One interesting point is that my lowered supra was way easier to drive around town than my lowered z06 which scrapes on everthing and will highcenter at the drop of a hat.

http://home.comcast.net/~schpodie/Z0...s/photo_1.html

 

No, but a STOCK Z06 runs pretty close. It's been discussed on Supraforums as well.

Problems with steering input though? I Have only read about one guy running road courses with any luck and he's pretty high on the mod list including a stroker motor/single turbo. Not exactly stock. I can't say anything directly against the Road Atlanta times, maybe Cobra4B can show us some input, I think he runs there.

No one is. Like I said before, it is a very well put together car. Excellent engine. Nice ergonomics. Just not the "end all be all" that a lot of guys think it is. I think that the major issue between the Supra-Whoever rivalry is that so few Supras seem to run in anything but top end races. Yes they are crushing when done up for that, but in the overall scheme of things not too many people run up to 180, never mind finding places to do it.

 

WRONG. They car could easily beat street driven just like plenty of other Supras that have literally more than double the HP of the N-ring car. 7:21 is no joke and faster than the Porsche Carrera GT. The Z06 would have to have MAJOR mods to top that.

 

One of the only two cars that passed me the last time I was at Road America was another Z06 (more modified than mine) and a Supra. The guy in the Supra passed me on the front straight like I was standing still. I did find out later that his car dyno'd 750 hp to the wheels.

X

 

LOL that is a pretty cutesy little list of accel numbers you have there. Taking stock 1994 Supra accel numbers is totally irrelevant today, as you would be hard pressed to find any Supra with much less than 400 RWHP. My car is a LONG way from being one of the faster Supras you can find on the streets and I timed my car:

ZERO to 140 mph in 14 seconds
60 - 140 mph = ~10 seconds (pretty fast, eh?)

This was on street tires using a G-Tech. Go find any car mag you like and see how many production cars can even begin to approach that. I also get 26 mpg with excellent driveability and reliability. Those types of accomplishments are worthy of respect, whether you like the car or not.

 

Good comments Steve

I will add my thoughts. I owned an 89 I guess mark III Supra. Obviously nothing like the following Model. I only say this because I considered a newer model Supra when buying my last Corvette (a C4 LT4). I was very impressed by the Supra and really liked it, but I was looking for a daily driver, and I am no mechanic. Point being you can find a million people who can work on a small block Chevy, and parts are not an issue. You can repair and mod a Vette anywhere. As I saw the Supra, it was out of production, its a Turbo which is nice but if you have to replace it or have a problem . I don't make these points to bash the Supra, I just felt the Vette had more heritage, and could be serviced and modded more easily.

I have seen some very cool Supras I would love to own, but as time goes by parts and compitent mechanics will become harder to find and more expensive. So for me the Vette was an easy choice from a value point of view. Additonally I would add I don't have to hate the Supra to love my Vette, I can like both, I just can't afford both

And now with the addition of the C6 Z06, whats really your best value performance wise????? The Supra is obviously a great car because as stated its 10 years old and we are still comparing it to todays Z. Tommorow will always bring more and better technology.

But hey I still think the ZR1 is King of the Hill, but it will face the same issues as the Supra, less access to parts and compitent mechanics.

My point of view is for those of us who love to drive but are not very good "home mechanics", and live with budgets

 

Howdy!

Just to clear this up:

The Supra stopped being exported in '98 (as a MY98) and stopped production as a JDM offering in '02 (as a MY02).

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Edit: Oops! SilverBullet pointed out a typo on my part It's -GE or -GTE like the MR2 (3S-GE -> na, 3S-GTE -> Turbo)

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The MKIV Supra *only* had a 2JZ-GE or GTE (turbo model) - both inline 3.0L 6-cylinders. The export model had larger injectors and 320HP, vs. the JDM model rated at 280HP (though under-rated, the JDM market has/had a 280HP limit, that was apparently adhered to on paper only).

Interestingly, the 97/98 JDM cars also incorporated VVTi (Toyota's variable valve tech) and had 338 lb/ft of torque.

The confusion might be the purported MKV that might come with some of kind of V8 - the word when I was keeping up with it was a variant of the 4.3L Lexus V8, possibly with twin turbos. The most recent spyshots/internet talk is of a very highend, lightweight car with a multivalve V10 (though it's not clear whether this is a the next "supra" or something entirely different).

Cheers!

 

Boost,

You'd also have a hard time seeing any Z06 with little or no mods. I imagine you and I (367 RWHP) are about the same to 140ish so more power to ya . I don't think it's good to compare apples to orange though. Those numbers were stock times for a stock vette and supra. Modified is a whole other, much larger, ball game.

Don't forget that GM put out its own supra in the 80's (Grand National) and the supra, when new, went for more then the corvette (Hell wasn't it 52,000 for a turbo model? Thats as much as a brand new Z06 today).

 

2JZ-GE and 2JZ-GTE

2JZ = Engine code
G = Dual Overhead Cam
E = Electronic Fuel Injection
T = Turb

I almost bought one.

 

Nice cars and all, but I'll keep my z06 thanks.

 

Howdy!

It's *very* relevant when discussing automobiles - there are a huge number of people who prefer a stock car. 1) People who race stock class events (SCCA, etc), 2) people who want stock levels of reliability, 3) people who prefer a warranty.

You just can't dismiss stock comparisons just because it's common/SOP to modify a particular make/model. The Z06 offers _stock_ levels of performance that are greater than nearly every performance metric of a stock Supra.

What's impressive for the Z06 is how well it performs - again stock - to a modified Supra on a road course, not to mention offering significant advantages (especially to casual or novice drivers) like Active Handling.

I have logged times in my Z06 at Roebling and Sebring and compared those times to my highly modified Supra (you maybe know my old car, I'm DT04R on the Supra forums, my car was the first big Titan Motorsports project car, still on the website in fact). At any rate, the Z06 is *very* competitive right out of the box.

Production cars? You mean warranteed, stock cars? Probably not - why would anyone compare a modified car to a stock car?

I liked my Supra quite a bit, like the Z06 even more - certainly not knocking a car I owned and had a great time with, but there's are definitely trade-offs modified v. stock, and the greater the modifications, the more extreme the tradeoffs become.

To address the original poster: *If* stock/not is an issue, and you can deal with maintenance that requires a non-factory shop (or become pretty handy at managing it yourself) - _then_ you need to ask yourself less objective things.

Don't try to chase down the easiest, fastest, cheapest to modify, that's a losing battle.

I mean, the money I spent on my Supra I could have purchase, let's say, a Viper - but that car didn't interest me. I was fascinated by the Supra: the styling, the capabilities of the motor, what was happening in the import industry, etc. I had Vette's before and wanted to try something totally different. I appreciated the exclusivity of driving a car made in the thousands (vs. 10 or 100's of thousands), though that was never a huge motivation to owning one.

I came back to Vette's because I *like* the experience. My family has a past with Chevy, I like the people in the clubs, like the history of the car, its contribution to enginnering and motorsports, appreciate the sound of an American V8, love the style, etc., etc. I know people respond with "if you want heritage, buy a race horse", but I believe there are plenty of people who buy on more emotional grounds (vs. this is a good performance car for the money).

Cheers!

 

Oops! Typo on my part

Yeah, I know the cars well - I actually *owned* one of the more respected Supras in "the scene":

http://www.fastandfuriouseast.com/ga...fault_sub1.php

That's me

DT

 

No prob! More power to ya!


Of course everyone forgets one thing
WE GOT THE WAVE!

 

You're right - Supra's are the KING!! Get rid of that stinky vette, and get yourself a real car.

 

You know - that's an important thing too - not just the wave but the whole "scene". I just wasn't interested in the import stuff that I had been attending. The wifey and I definitely aren't fogies - we surf, have ink, go to clubs, etc., but there's just a vibe we weren't into at import shows, cruise-ins, etc.

I would certainly _not_ stereotype any owners of *any* type of car, but we seem to get our groove on a little better at non-import only types of events. We attended a show that was open to all years, makes models, but primarily classic domestics, and I had much more fun talking to the owners than the last few import events I had attended.

Hahaha, or maybe I _am_ becoming a cranky ol' bastich

"Damn, kids turn down that interweb hop-hip noise"

DT