Notices
C5 General General C5 Corvette and C5 Z06 Discussion not covered in Tech

10w30 or 5w30?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:39 PM
  #21  
csexton's Avatar
csexton
Team Owner
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 30,045
Likes: 4
From: Danville Virginia
Default

Mobil 5w30 here!!
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:51 PM
  #22  
WhiteC5Vette's Avatar
WhiteC5Vette
Safety Car
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 4,010
Likes: 1
From: SE Idaho
St. Jude Contributor
Default

Originally Posted by B R
15-50 because it doesn't get cold where I'm at, & sometimes I'm driving under more stressful conditions .
Is there a 15W50 that meets the GM spec? If not:
Notice: If you use oils that do not have the GM4718M Standard designation, you can cause engine damage not covered by your warranty. That means, no warranty, and an oil that is as heavy as 15W50 would be easy to distinguish between a recommended oil, and an oil analysis would verify it. Thus, no warranty on engine or internal components.
In addition, the majority of engine wear happens at startup, and a 15W oil take a while, even in 80 degree weather to lubricate the top of the engine.
You car, but if the engine blows, don't blame GM.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 10:20 PM
  #23  
C5 4 ME's Avatar
C5 4 ME
Safety Car
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 4,338
Likes: 66
From: Whittier California
Default

Originally Posted by BW1
Mobil-1 10w30, because I live in a warm(er) climate.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 10:23 PM
  #24  
TruUndrtkr's Avatar
TruUndrtkr
Race Director
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 14,942
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles
Default

Originally Posted by Blowtorch
The people who built the car say 5W-30.

That's a good enough reason for me!
thats why i do it..
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2005 | 12:20 AM
  #25  
Richin Chicago's Avatar
Richin Chicago
Safety Car
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 4,411
Likes: 1
From: Wilmington NC
Default

Originally Posted by NitrousMan
What do you guys run in your C5 and why?
From:
http://www.idavette.net/hib/C5diy/c5diy1.htm

"The reason GM recommends 5W-30 is it's the politically correct choice when fuel mileage is a prime consideration. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which oversees fuel economy standards for cars sold in this country and believes 5W-30 oil is a significant energy conservation measure, pressures car companies into 1) using 5W-30s in new vehicles and 2) marketing them to service customers. In response to this pressure, many years ago a policy was made by GM at the corporate level that, with few exceptions, the recommended oil for all passenger vehicles be 5W-30.

When you read the "Maintenance and Lubrication" section of the 1997 Corvette Service Manual carefully, you soon find there are alternatives. The book states on page 0-47, "The recommended SAE engine oil viscosity is 5W-30, however, if the temperature is above -18¡C (O¡F) 10W-30 may be used." Not only is this true for C5 but the same or similar language appears in owner's or service manuals going back a decade or more.

While we dispose of used oil and filters responsibly, recycle our cans and plastic and keep our room air conditioners set for 78¡, the Technical Staff of Vette Magazine cares little about the fraction of a percent better fuel mileage we supposedly gain with 5W30 oil in our Corvettes. It is our opinion that high-performance engines regularly operated in above 0¡F outside temperature and in their intended duty cycles will maintain performance longer if an oil of different viscosity range is used.

Any 5W-30 engine oil, including the synthetic in C5s, uses chemical additives, called "viscosity-index (VI) improvers", to widen its viscosity range enough to make it a 5W-30. VI improvers contribute little to lubrication and can make a "multi-vis" oil less effective at high temperatures than an oil without them. This can become a problem when the oil is under high shear loads at temperatures above 225¡F. It becomes a potentially damaging problem when oil temp. approaches 300¡F. If your oil temperature in the pan is 250¡F or above, bet that oil temp in bearings is approaching 300¡. Near the piston ring lands and the upper sections of the cylinder walls, it is that or above.

Another characteristic of a 5W-30 that can be a problem in severe service is a relatively high evaporation rate at high temperatures compared to lubricants of more narrow viscosity range. A higher evaporation rate contributes to increased oil consumption and substandard lubrication in areas of high temperature.

There are no VI improvers in quality, 10W-30, synthetic engine oils and their high-temperature evaporation rate is less. Thus, 10W-30 synthetics are better lubricants in severe duty applications. For that reason, we recommend that any C5 owner, and, for that matter, the owner of any Corvette built since GM began telling us to use 5W-30Ñput a synthetic, 10W-30 oil in their engine.

A good choice is Mobil 1, 10W-30 synthetic."
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2005 | 12:37 AM
  #26  
NitrousMan's Avatar
NitrousMan
Thread Starter
Burning Brakes
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,239
Likes: 4
From: Shelby Township Michigan
Default

Originally Posted by Richin Chicago
From:
http://www.idavette.net/hib/C5diy/c5diy1.htm

"The reason GM recommends 5W-30 is it's the politically correct choice when fuel mileage is a prime consideration. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which oversees fuel economy standards for cars sold in this country and believes 5W-30 oil is a significant energy conservation measure, pressures car companies into 1) using 5W-30s in new vehicles and 2) marketing them to service customers. In response to this pressure, many years ago a policy was made by GM at the corporate level that, with few exceptions, the recommended oil for all passenger vehicles be 5W-30.

When you read the "Maintenance and Lubrication" section of the 1997 Corvette Service Manual carefully, you soon find there are alternatives. The book states on page 0-47, "The recommended SAE engine oil viscosity is 5W-30, however, if the temperature is above -18¡C (O¡F) 10W-30 may be used." Not only is this true for C5 but the same or similar language appears in owner's or service manuals going back a decade or more.

While we dispose of used oil and filters responsibly, recycle our cans and plastic and keep our room air conditioners set for 78¡, the Technical Staff of Vette Magazine cares little about the fraction of a percent better fuel mileage we supposedly gain with 5W30 oil in our Corvettes. It is our opinion that high-performance engines regularly operated in above 0¡F outside temperature and in their intended duty cycles will maintain performance longer if an oil of different viscosity range is used.

Any 5W-30 engine oil, including the synthetic in C5s, uses chemical additives, called "viscosity-index (VI) improvers", to widen its viscosity range enough to make it a 5W-30. VI improvers contribute little to lubrication and can make a "multi-vis" oil less effective at high temperatures than an oil without them. This can become a problem when the oil is under high shear loads at temperatures above 225¡F. It becomes a potentially damaging problem when oil temp. approaches 300¡F. If your oil temperature in the pan is 250¡F or above, bet that oil temp in bearings is approaching 300¡. Near the piston ring lands and the upper sections of the cylinder walls, it is that or above.

Another characteristic of a 5W-30 that can be a problem in severe service is a relatively high evaporation rate at high temperatures compared to lubricants of more narrow viscosity range. A higher evaporation rate contributes to increased oil consumption and substandard lubrication in areas of high temperature.

There are no VI improvers in quality, 10W-30, synthetic engine oils and their high-temperature evaporation rate is less. Thus, 10W-30 synthetics are better lubricants in severe duty applications. For that reason, we recommend that any C5 owner, and, for that matter, the owner of any Corvette built since GM began telling us to use 5W-30Ñput a synthetic, 10W-30 oil in their engine.

A good choice is Mobil 1, 10W-30 synthetic."

Thanks for the info, I think I'll be running 10w30 Amsoil.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2005 | 07:55 PM
  #27  
RonJ's Avatar
RonJ
Burning Brakes
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,106
Likes: 1
From: Foresters Falls(near Ottawa) Ont
Default

My car is only used in the warmer summer weather. It's not like it needs 5W-30 so it'll crank and get up into the engine quicker.

10W-30 is just a bit heavier and I like to think gives better lubrication when it starts cold.

My 2 cents ... Ron ...
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 07:17 AM
  #28  
Patman's Avatar
Patman
Race Director
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 15,323
Likes: 2,077
From: Guelph, Ontario
Default

I run German Castrol Syntec 0w30. My oil analysis results have been significantly better than any other reports I've seen for the LS1 engine. Mobil 1 (of any viscosity) doesn't show anywhere near as low engine wear as GC 0w30 does.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 09:24 AM
  #29  
Richin Chicago's Avatar
Richin Chicago
Safety Car
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 4,411
Likes: 1
From: Wilmington NC
Default

Originally Posted by Patman
I run German Castrol Syntec 0w30. My oil analysis results have been significantly better than any other reports I've seen for the LS1 engine. Mobil 1 (of any viscosity) doesn't show anywhere near as low engine wear as GC 0w30 does.
I would be more inclined to say that from what you can determine you think GC shows less engine wear. But what you don't know is if the GC is as good at carrying metals in suspension as other oils. It could be that Mobil1 just does a better job of suspension while GC is re-depositing the metals in other parts of the engine. An oil with no suspension capability would look brilliant.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 09:45 AM
  #30  
BiggieBoy's Avatar
BiggieBoy
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 3,123
Likes: 3
From: Orland Park Illinois
St. Jude Donor '06-'07
Default

Mobil 1--5w 30. For 6 years--no problems..
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 09:56 AM
  #31  
Patman's Avatar
Patman
Race Director
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 15,323
Likes: 2,077
From: Guelph, Ontario
Default

Originally Posted by Richin Chicago
I would be more inclined to say that from what you can determine you think GC shows less engine wear. But what you don't know is if the GC is as good at carrying metals in suspension as other oils. It could be that Mobil1 just does a better job of suspension while GC is re-depositing the metals in other parts of the engine. An oil with no suspension capability would look brilliant.
This is not the case here though, GC is simply a much better built oil, which is why it passes so many more strict European specs that M1 5w30 cannot pass.

I have my oil analysis results interpreted by Terry Dyson, who is well known as being the #1 expert at reading oil analysis results. He's been doing it for over 20 years now. He assures me this oil is the real deal, it's not "hiding" wear metals and depositing them inside the engine. This oil is simply very good, period.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 10:24 AM
  #32  
C5Jim's Avatar
C5Jim
Racer
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 457
Likes: 0
From: Mechanicsburg Pa
Default

I find this debate very interesting.
Prior to 10W30, people swore by 10W40. Prior to that people swore by straight 30 weight. Then you've got the 20W50 crowd.

Have we got any 5W20 fans?

I use 5W30. I've also used M1 0W30. No problems.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 10:25 AM
  #33  
Joe's Eray's Avatar
Joe's Eray
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 8,341
Likes: 823
From: Naples Florida
Default

10W-30 for me being that I live in South FL.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 10:52 AM
  #34  
jrose7004's Avatar
jrose7004
Team Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 58,501
Likes: 1,827
From: Oklahoma City OK
C6 of Year Finalist (appearance mods) 2019
Default

Originally Posted by StephenT
5w30 Mobil 1, that is what it came with and is recommended.
I can't add anything more!
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 11:34 AM
  #35  
Kschwamy's Avatar
Kschwamy
Drifting
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,299
Likes: 0
From: Stanwood Michigan
Default

10w30 Mobil 1 in my wifes stock 98 and 5w50 Mobil 1 in my 2001
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 11:51 AM
  #36  
eddie44's Avatar
eddie44
Le Mans Master
10 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 6,454
Likes: 3
From: Hells Sister City Phoenix AZ
St. Jude Donor '03
Default

10-30w because of the temps here in AZ.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 12:00 PM
  #37  
Stock Man's Avatar
Stock Man
Race Director
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 11,945
Likes: 12
From: Vancouver
2015 C5 of Year Finalist
St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10
Default

Ah! The old viscosity debate. I have seen what thicker oil can do to an engine. Glaze the cylinders. Not a good thing. And thin oil will not protect the cylinders. So that's why I stick with the recommended viscosity. If your in extremely high temps get your oil analyzed and make your determination from that. My .02
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To 10w30 or 5w30?

Old Mar 20, 2005 | 12:21 PM
  #38  
66427-450's Avatar
66427-450
Safety Car
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,780
Likes: 442
From: Southwest MI
Default

Originally Posted by Patman
I run German Castrol Syntec 0w30. My oil analysis results have been significantly better than any other reports I've seen for the LS1 engine. Mobil 1 (of any viscosity) doesn't show anywhere near as low engine wear as GC 0w30 does.
I'm with you....... so many just seem to be "locked in" to Mobil-1, I have to admit, their PR program is excellent, and the oil is good. But if they looked at the situation objectively, with an open mind, there's a very good chance they'd run the GC. But oh well, to each their own. I just hope they sell enough to justify keeping the GC available here, in the US.

PS: Tip: if you're going to stick with M-1, at least consider the European Formula 0-40 M-1 (it's head and shoulders above the std/US Mobil 1 in performance). You'll find it at Advance Auto Parts
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 12:54 PM
  #39  
gordonb50's Avatar
gordonb50
Burning Brakes
Supporting Lifetime
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,171
Likes: 1
From: Longview Texas
Default

I've stayed with 5w-30 for the same reasons as most .... it's what's recommended.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2005 | 01:30 PM
  #40  
Mrhavasu's Avatar
Mrhavasu
Advanced
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Default

http://www.idavette.net/hib/C5diy/c5diy1.htm
Good info on why 10/30 might be better than 5/30. I run 10/30.
Terry
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:21 PM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 11:09:53


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE