[Z06] road course tires
Drifting
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From: Ca
[. And you'll want as much feedback as possible as you learn.
While R-compound track tires will be stickier than the F-1's, the F-1's do VERY well on the road course. You almost can't fully appreciate how sticky the F-1's can get until you run them on a road course. The only downside is they are pricey and wear out pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
While I agree with the above, I believe you will get more feedback from a proper restraint system(race seat w/5 or 6 pt harness) than tires...at least for me this was the most notable mod. Stay on streets until you you ween yourself off the nanny and find out just what fun this car is and telling you!
Comfort level being a prioroty first of course.
Baby steps form that point will allow you to dicern benefits of each.
Just my 2cents!
While R-compound track tires will be stickier than the F-1's, the F-1's do VERY well on the road course. You almost can't fully appreciate how sticky the F-1's can get until you run them on a road course. The only downside is they are pricey and wear out pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]
While I agree with the above, I believe you will get more feedback from a proper restraint system(race seat w/5 or 6 pt harness) than tires...at least for me this was the most notable mod. Stay on streets until you you ween yourself off the nanny and find out just what fun this car is and telling you!
Comfort level being a prioroty first of course.Baby steps form that point will allow you to dicern benefits of each.
Just my 2cents!
Team Owner
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From: Raleigh / Rolesville NC
Originally Posted by AMERICANMUSL
While I agree with the above, I believe you will get more feedback from a proper restraint system(race seat w/5 or 6 pt harness) than tires...at least for me this was the most notable mod. Stay on streets until you you ween yourself off the nanny and find out just what fun this car is and telling you! Comfort level being a prioroty first of course.
Baby steps form that point will allow you to dicern benefits of each.
Just my 2cents!
Comfort level being a prioroty first of course.Baby steps form that point will allow you to dicern benefits of each.
Just my 2cents!
Melting Slicks
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From: Augusta GA
St. Jude Donor '05-'06
Originally Posted by AU N EGL
a few comments:
Brakes, Stock calipers and rotors are great.
Skipp the Drilled and slotted as they WILL crack sooner then later. Best rotors are the Raybestus / NAPA blanks at $27 each.
change to DOT 4 brake fluids
Stock C56 ZO6 Pads are great for the occational track day guy. Race pads if you do 3 or more events a year. Stay the Heck away from Ceramic pads for track use. They MELT and dont stop your car worth a day. They are OK for street use.
race pads: PFC-01s, Hawk DT70s, ( no HPS or HP+) Wilwood H, or Carbotech XP-10 and XP-11s are the most popular and work great on the track - not for street use.
I did my first 12 HPDEs on stock Mich PS tires with traction contol and AH ON. When I was smooth aroudn corners and did not STOMP on the accelrator AH/TC never came on and my lap times dropped and dropped. Smoothness is the key to going fast.
R Compound tires only last a few weekends, 3 or 4 at the most and not for street driving.
I have not use Nittos, Khumos, or Toyo tires so I can not give you feed back on those. Differnt ppl like different tires for differnt reasons and the cost of buying tires has much to do with it.
I have used Good Year G19 slicks ( Non DOT) in R460 and R380 compounds. The R380s were very soft great grip but I corded them in one day. the R460s lasted me 4 weekends, which two weekends were easy. tires were identical sizes on all four corners. 18x25.5x211.5
I have also used Hoosier tires. Mostly the GAC ( Grand Am Cup ) DOT-R tires and now I use the Hoosier VRL slicks ( Non-DOT) Same compund as the GAC but stiffer side wall to support the weight of the Viper. VRL = Viper Racing League)
FYI I am also an HPDE instructor for many schools here in the SE and am also the Chief Instructor for the National Corvette Museum HPDEs.
If there is anything else I can do to help, please let me know.
There is alot of Track or HPDE information over under the General - Corvette - Autocross & Road racing foum.
Brakes, Stock calipers and rotors are great.
Skipp the Drilled and slotted as they WILL crack sooner then later. Best rotors are the Raybestus / NAPA blanks at $27 each.
change to DOT 4 brake fluids
Stock C56 ZO6 Pads are great for the occational track day guy. Race pads if you do 3 or more events a year. Stay the Heck away from Ceramic pads for track use. They MELT and dont stop your car worth a day. They are OK for street use.
race pads: PFC-01s, Hawk DT70s, ( no HPS or HP+) Wilwood H, or Carbotech XP-10 and XP-11s are the most popular and work great on the track - not for street use.
I did my first 12 HPDEs on stock Mich PS tires with traction contol and AH ON. When I was smooth aroudn corners and did not STOMP on the accelrator AH/TC never came on and my lap times dropped and dropped. Smoothness is the key to going fast.
R Compound tires only last a few weekends, 3 or 4 at the most and not for street driving.
I have not use Nittos, Khumos, or Toyo tires so I can not give you feed back on those. Differnt ppl like different tires for differnt reasons and the cost of buying tires has much to do with it.
I have used Good Year G19 slicks ( Non DOT) in R460 and R380 compounds. The R380s were very soft great grip but I corded them in one day. the R460s lasted me 4 weekends, which two weekends were easy. tires were identical sizes on all four corners. 18x25.5x211.5
I have also used Hoosier tires. Mostly the GAC ( Grand Am Cup ) DOT-R tires and now I use the Hoosier VRL slicks ( Non-DOT) Same compund as the GAC but stiffer side wall to support the weight of the Viper. VRL = Viper Racing League)
FYI I am also an HPDE instructor for many schools here in the SE and am also the Chief Instructor for the National Corvette Museum HPDEs.
If there is anything else I can do to help, please let me know.
There is alot of Track or HPDE information over under the General - Corvette - Autocross & Road racing foum.
Dave
Melting Slicks
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From: Cary NC
I agree with stingray454. The GY F1 SC is a great track tire that happens to be a street tire. No it isn't an r-comp and won't beat those out. But I don't care about 2 seconds right now. I do care very much about learning this car and the various tracks. The F1 SC is just fine for that. I have 2 sets of them just for track.
I like AMERICANMUSCL point on the harnesses. Just adding r-comps to get faster and using the stock restraint system and seat will not be fun. Your butt will be sliding around in those seats and you'll get nothing out of those r-comps. I have a harness bar and 6-points. Keeping yourself firmly planted so that your arms are used for steering and not hanging on for dear life makes a LOT of difference. You'll easily get 2 seconds from being able to stay put in the car.
I like AMERICANMUSCL point on the harnesses. Just adding r-comps to get faster and using the stock restraint system and seat will not be fun. Your butt will be sliding around in those seats and you'll get nothing out of those r-comps. I have a harness bar and 6-points. Keeping yourself firmly planted so that your arms are used for steering and not hanging on for dear life makes a LOT of difference. You'll easily get 2 seconds from being able to stay put in the car.
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From: King George VA
Originally Posted by vms4evr
... The GY F1 SC is a great track tire that happens to be a street tire.
I did my first DE in the Z06 with the F1SCs back in 01... though it seems like just yesterday... then picked up a second set of wheels for DEs and ran my second DE with Hoosier DOT track tires (R3S03s at the time), but getting the second set of wheels and tires to the track was a major pain... so I just had a cage welded in, bought a trailer with a tire rack, and decided to go racing.
Be careful of the DE bug... it bites hard.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Cary NC
Originally Posted by Subdriver
Be careful of the DE bug... it bites hard.
I've gone as far as the 2nd set of wheels with SC for track. A hitch on the Z and trailer to haul my tires and tools. I'm resisting the urge for a truck and trailer so far...
Good luck this weekend at RR. Give em he11 !!! If you've never run there before you'll find it really easy to drive given your skills. It's made a great training track for me so far. Nice and flat, easy radius turns, with runoff room. Wish I could go down and watch you guys but I have an oil cooler to install. Because of this darned DE bug
Graham
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From: King George VA
Originally Posted by vms4evr
Sure Brad. Now all you guys are telling me this AFTER I start doing DE(s)...
Graham,
2nd set of wheels, hitch and tire trailer... oil cooler going in this weekend... DE bug's got you good!
Soon you'll tire of dealing with that tire trailer and you'll break down and get an open air trailer... then you'll need something bigger to tow it with...
I'm looking forward to Roebling this weekend. I actually did my first... and second DEs in the Z06 at Roebling back in the fall of 01 and early 02 with the PCA and BMWCCA, though it has been years since I've been there. I have no aspirations of beating Chris Ingle and the other SE Div guys. Just looking to have a good time out there with family and friends.
Good luck with the cooler install this weekend, that will really help out oil temps at RR.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Cary NC
Originally Posted by Z06 Silver Bullet
Toyo RA1.
Will last about 25 sessions and nearly 6,000 miles if starting at full tread and some decent camber.
I have had several sets and raced on them as spec tire. They work.
Will last about 25 sessions and nearly 6,000 miles if starting at full tread and some decent camber.
I have had several sets and raced on them as spec tire. They work.
See you at Road Atlanta next weekend!!
Safety Car
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From: Maryland
I've used the SC and the Nitto IIR and they are both pretty good, the Nitto is obviously a whole other level over the SC.
I would not be scared of the Nitto. I did just fine with them on my C4 on track, and this was my 4th track day lifetime. I was able to pass the Maserati and the Porsche Carrera while we all were learning. The Tires were probably a big reason along with following the right line.
Just don't get cocky with them, and I don't know about the rain, but caution rules the day.
I would not be scared of the Nitto. I did just fine with them on my C4 on track, and this was my 4th track day lifetime. I was able to pass the Maserati and the Porsche Carrera while we all were learning. The Tires were probably a big reason along with following the right line.
Just don't get cocky with them, and I don't know about the rain, but caution rules the day.
Melting Slicks
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From: Poquoson VA
Originally Posted by Pio
Man, after reading through this thread I'm getting cold feet on putting on the Toyo RA 1's I just got. Is it rrreeeaaallllyyy that different to go from regular tires to comps? I have a bunch of track days under my belt, but I never imagined the R compounds would be so knife in the back.
FYI - I'm switching my 19/20 wheels w/ Conti Sports to 18/18 w/ Toyo's. The 19/20 combo blows for anything other than looks.
FYI - I'm switching my 19/20 wheels w/ Conti Sports to 18/18 w/ Toyo's. The 19/20 combo blows for anything other than looks.
Race tires usually do not give you the clues a street tires does before it loses grip. A few AX's would also give you a chance to see how much more grip you get with R-Tires without pushing it at higher speeds.
Once you get the feel of the tires you'll be able to put the extra grip to good use on a track
Le Mans Master
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From: Private
Originally Posted by Pio
Man, after reading through this thread I'm getting cold feet on putting on the Toyo RA 1's I just got. Is it rrreeeaaallllyyy that different to go from regular tires to comps? I have a bunch of track days under my belt, but I never imagined the R compounds would be so knife in the back.
FYI - I'm switching my 19/20 wheels w/ Conti Sports to 18/18 w/ Toyo's. The 19/20 combo blows for anything other than looks.
FYI - I'm switching my 19/20 wheels w/ Conti Sports to 18/18 w/ Toyo's. The 19/20 combo blows for anything other than looks.
