[Z06] Goodyear SC Tires vs. Michelin PS2's
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Goodyear SC Tires vs. Michelin PS2's
I'm running stock Supercars and am debating a switch to PS2's. Does anyone have any experience with the Michelins? Are they better in the dry than the stock SC tires and are they quieter?
Thanks,
Rick
Thanks,
Rick
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I've owned both. Tried the PS2s and went back to the SCs for the better dry grip. The PS2s rode fine and were quiet, but the dry grip suffered. Several of the local autoxers in my area have the same opinion. They could not compete as well with the PS2s as they had with the SCs against cars still running SCs.
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I have had them both. In the dry, fully warmed (track conditions), I don't see much difference, but would give a slight advantage to the PS2 in terms of grip. I think the SC might have stiffer sidewalls. But in the wet (or cold), no comparison, the PS2 is far superior. As for noise, I don't know. Neither impressed me as noisy. But, I drive my street tires on the track, so they get pretty roughed up before accumulating many miles, and tend to make some noise that would not be there if conservatively driven. For an all-around street tire, I would buy the PS2.
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Originally Posted by Rippied Z06
I've owned both. Tried the PS2s and went back to the SCs for the better dry grip. The PS2s rode fine and were quiet, but the dry grip suffered. Several of the local autoxers in my area have the same opinion. They could not compete as well with the PS2s as they had with the SCs against cars still running SCs.
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Thank you both for the feedback. This is exactly what I was looking for. I have two new rear SC's and I'm trying to decide between just purchasing new front SC's or replacing the SC's with PS2's all the way around.
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Originally Posted by elh0102
If my perception of the SC being stiffer is correct, I wonder if that could be contributing to the better performance more than the absolute grip. I don't do any autox, but I assume the sharper turn in of a stiffer tire would help. My events are untimed HPDEs, so I can only offer the seat-of-the-pants perception. Maybe someone with timed road course experience will chime in.
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I have PS2's now as a replacement for the stock SC's. No way would I go back to the Goodyears. I find the Michelins superior in every way, wet, dry, noise, ride, etc. I drive fairly aggressively even though I don't auto-x. We have some nice twisty mountain roads where I live and the tires give me all the confidence I need. On some types of pavement I found the Goodyears so noisy you couldn't have a conversation in the car, not with the Michelins. Even tire wear seems to be better.
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Originally Posted by pb24dagrk
umm, the PS2's have better ratings all around vs. the goodyears everywhere i have read (including tirerack.com)
i don't know where the "dry grip suffered" comment came from
i don't know where the "dry grip suffered" comment came from
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My opinion is that for the track only, go with the Goodyears. However, for track only tires, there are better tires. For street driving, NO QUESTION, go with the PS2s. They are much better real world tires, including a world where rain, cold temperatures, and even snow are a possibliity.
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Go with PS2s
I have the PS2s and road race the car all the time. To me they have great traction. A nice thing about them is they have traction when cold, both cold on the track and cold weather. On the track I can run away from some of the guys on full race tires till they get them heated up, then of course they pass me.
The PS2s are also good in rain. For all these reasons I'm also putting a set on my CTS-V, which is used on the street because my wife won't let me trash another car.
By Goodyear SC I don't know if you mean the F1 tire. If so don't get it. It is absolutely terrible at any temperature below 50 deg. At freezing temperature they are downright dangerous. And wet traction is poor, at least as the tread wears down, which is very fast.
The PS2s are also good in rain. For all these reasons I'm also putting a set on my CTS-V, which is used on the street because my wife won't let me trash another car.
By Goodyear SC I don't know if you mean the F1 tire. If so don't get it. It is absolutely terrible at any temperature below 50 deg. At freezing temperature they are downright dangerous. And wet traction is poor, at least as the tread wears down, which is very fast.
Last edited by jlakowicz; Apr 12, 2006 at 04:34 PM.
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Originally Posted by jlakowicz
I have the PS2s and road race the car all the time. To me they have great traction. A nice thing about them is they have traction when cold, both cold on the track and cold weather. On the track I can run away from some of the guys on full race tires till they get them heated up, then of course they pass me.
The PS2s are also good in rain. For all these reasons I'm also putting a set on my CTS-V, which is used on the street because my wife won't let me trash another car.
By Goodyear SC I don't know if you mean the F1 tire. If so don't get it. It is absolutely terrible at any temperature below 50 deg. At freezing temperature they are downright dangerous. And wet traction is poor, at least as the tread wears down, which is very fast.
The PS2s are also good in rain. For all these reasons I'm also putting a set on my CTS-V, which is used on the street because my wife won't let me trash another car.
By Goodyear SC I don't know if you mean the F1 tire. If so don't get it. It is absolutely terrible at any temperature below 50 deg. At freezing temperature they are downright dangerous. And wet traction is poor, at least as the tread wears down, which is very fast.
On the subject of wet grip, my autox experience in the rain is that SCs grip very well until there is even a hint of standing water. Then you are going to hydroplane. I saw a Regional NCCC event run in the rain a few years ago and the overall winner was a C4 on full 12.5" Avon slicks. But the rain was only enough to keep the track wet. No standing water. The Z06s on SCs finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th overall that day.
Last edited by Rippied Z06; Apr 12, 2006 at 05:28 PM.