Viper vs. Vette
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Melting Slicks
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Viper vs. Vette
Not sure exactly how my car's going to "pull" since I'm still getting it ready for paint, but I'm about a month away from driving it, so hopefully I'll soon find out.
However, last night, I got a ride in a friend's 97 Viper GTS - it's stock - he took it up to 140, and it was fast, but I'm hoping for as much or more pull/acceleration out of my Vette -
I'm wondering if I'm expecting too much out of my Vette, or how it will compare to the Viper ride I got last night. Your thoughts?
So, my 2001 Coupe w/ A4 tranny, w/ LT headers, 3.73 gears and Yank SS3200 Stall - how will it "pull" under throttle and which is faster in quarter, my Vette or the 97 Viper?
How about if I put an X3 cam and heads on my car - then who wins, 97 Viper or my Vette?
Just curious - I'm itching to get mine finished so I can get these answers firsthand for myself, but in the meantime, what is everyone's thoughts?
However, last night, I got a ride in a friend's 97 Viper GTS - it's stock - he took it up to 140, and it was fast, but I'm hoping for as much or more pull/acceleration out of my Vette -
I'm wondering if I'm expecting too much out of my Vette, or how it will compare to the Viper ride I got last night. Your thoughts?
So, my 2001 Coupe w/ A4 tranny, w/ LT headers, 3.73 gears and Yank SS3200 Stall - how will it "pull" under throttle and which is faster in quarter, my Vette or the 97 Viper?
How about if I put an X3 cam and heads on my car - then who wins, 97 Viper or my Vette?
Just curious - I'm itching to get mine finished so I can get these answers firsthand for myself, but in the meantime, what is everyone's thoughts?
Le Mans Master
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that viper has 100 more horse than you, and depending on gearing of the viper, id say the snake will pull harder. plus you have an auto which takes away even more. cam and heads and you would be close though
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by StoplightWarrior
without motor work, your car will not feel faster than that viper. Although it will feel deceptively fast with the stall
Burning Brakes
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Originally Posted by 02gt350
that viper has 100 more horse than you, and depending on gearing of the viper, id say the snake will pull harder. plus you have an auto which takes away even more. cam and heads and you would be close though
with a 3.73 gear and Headers combined with the a4..........(forget about the stall converter which knocks a half second off his 1/4 time) He is going to beat the viper in the quarter mile. If not he's going to be extremely close. I give the vette the win by at least a car length.
The viper is going to shift 3 times thru the quarter and I dont care how good a driver he is, he will never ever be able to shift as fast as the A4's computer, which is HUGE in the quarter mile.
I love the way some people claim the automatic transmission is at a disadvantage in a straight line run when the fact is, the opposite is true.
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Burning Brakes
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Oh and the viper does not have 100 horsepower more.............maybe 75 more AT THE FLYWHEEL. More like 50hp.
The headers on his corvette negated that 100 horsepower advantage the viper had at the flywheel by putting some 25 horsepower to his rear wheels. Which equates to roughly 35-40 at the flywheel.
His gears, TC, and the advantage of an auto in the 1/4 mile will take care of the rest IF he can hook at the line.
I say it's goodbye viper.
The headers on his corvette negated that 100 horsepower advantage the viper had at the flywheel by putting some 25 horsepower to his rear wheels. Which equates to roughly 35-40 at the flywheel.
His gears, TC, and the advantage of an auto in the 1/4 mile will take care of the rest IF he can hook at the line.
I say it's goodbye viper.
Le Mans Master
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Originally Posted by I X L R 8
I beg to differ.
with a 3.73 gear and Headers combined with the a4..........(forget about the stall converter which knocks a half second off his 1/4 time) He is going to beat the viper in the quarter mile. If not he's going to be extremely close. I give the vette the win by at least a car length.
The viper is going to shift 3 times thru the quarter and I dont care how good a driver he is, he will never ever be able to shift as fast as the A4's computer, which is HUGE in the quarter mile.
I love the way some people claim the automatic transmission is at a disadvantage in a straight line run when the fact is, the opposite is true.
with a 3.73 gear and Headers combined with the a4..........(forget about the stall converter which knocks a half second off his 1/4 time) He is going to beat the viper in the quarter mile. If not he's going to be extremely close. I give the vette the win by at least a car length.
The viper is going to shift 3 times thru the quarter and I dont care how good a driver he is, he will never ever be able to shift as fast as the A4's computer, which is HUGE in the quarter mile.
I love the way some people claim the automatic transmission is at a disadvantage in a straight line run when the fact is, the opposite is true.
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Le Mans Master
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From: East Peoria Illinois
Originally Posted by I X L R 8
Oh and the viper does not have 100 horsepower more.............maybe 75 more AT THE FLYWHEEL. More like 50hp.
The headers on his corvette negated that 100 horsepower advantage the viper had at the flywheel by putting some 25 horsepower to his rear wheels. Which equates to roughly 35-40 at the flywheel.
His gears, TC, and the advantage of an auto in the 1/4 mile will take care of the rest IF he can hook at the line.
I say it's goodbye viper.
The headers on his corvette negated that 100 horsepower advantage the viper had at the flywheel by putting some 25 horsepower to his rear wheels. Which equates to roughly 35-40 at the flywheel.
His gears, TC, and the advantage of an auto in the 1/4 mile will take care of the rest IF he can hook at the line.
I say it's goodbye viper.
Burning Brakes
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roughly 25 hp.
Ive seen several dyno sheets where LG or a comparable header has added between 20 and 30 rwhp to the LS1.
Headers are a big seat of the pants bang.
Unfortunately as bang for the buck goes.........you're going to spend close to 2300.00 to equip an LS1 with LG's long tubes.
So its not really bang for the buck...........just bang.
Ive seen several dyno sheets where LG or a comparable header has added between 20 and 30 rwhp to the LS1.
Headers are a big seat of the pants bang.
Unfortunately as bang for the buck goes.........you're going to spend close to 2300.00 to equip an LS1 with LG's long tubes.
So its not really bang for the buck...........just bang.
Burning Brakes
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Also, since the addition of his 3.73 gearing, he has probably had an edit tune/predator tune done to his vette, which was left out of his post.
This in itself makes the A4 shift MUCH MUCH faster with no shift lag whatsoever.
Again this is HUGE in terms of a quarter mile race.
This in itself makes the A4 shift MUCH MUCH faster with no shift lag whatsoever.
Again this is HUGE in terms of a quarter mile race.
Drifting
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I haven't really checked times and specs, but I think those Viper were good for high 12's in stock trim (correct me if I'm wrong). With the mods you listed, it should be a good race. If you had something like a Vararam and aren't driving on runflats, I would say that you would take him.
Racer
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My Corvette is modded just like yours. I run 12.80's-1.81 60'. A '98 Viper at RT.66 dragstrip went 12.50's with a pretty fair driver. Just wanted to give you some info.(by the way...I leave my traction control ON otherwise my KUMHO's spin too much)
Burning Brakes
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Originally Posted by Rob01C5
I haven't really checked times and specs, but I think those Viper were good for high 12's in stock trim (correct me if I'm wrong). With the mods you listed, it should be a good race. If you had something like a Vararam and aren't driving on runflats, I would say that you would take him.
Mid to high 12's.
In a comparison, I don't recall what year Viper it was, but the ZO6 ran some 2/10's of a second slower through the quater mile. The Viper barely edged out the ZO6 thru the 1/4 mile.
The way the thread starters car is equipped he would have no problem with a stock z06, i'm sure some of the z06 owners would argue with me about this but that would not change the outcome.
I believe he will beat that viper in the 1/4 mile.
I pick the vette in this one by one half to one full car length.
Burning Brakes
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Originally Posted by 1965imp
My Corvette is modded just like yours. I run 12.80's-1.81 60'. A '98 Viper at RT.66 dragstrip went 12.50's with a pretty fair driver. Just wanted to give you some info.(by the way...I leave my traction control ON otherwise my KUMHO's spin too much)
Also an automatic.
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Melting Slicks
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AWSUM info guys - I gotta get my car finished at the bodyshop so I can test it myself - I'm not certain my Viper owner friend and I will ever race, although I think it would be fun - he drag races other mopar cars, but his drag cars are auto's w/ high (around 9500 rpm) stall converters - I was surprised how hard it was for him to shift the Viper - he's definately driven stick vehicles before, but either his Viper is simply harder than average to shift, or he's got a lot of learning to do, cause his shifting of the Viper wasn't the best. I do believe I'd take him based on his shifting "troubles," but I don't really consider that a fair race - kind of like his shifting should give him a handicap - his shifting doesn't allow the full potential (if we ASSUME a Viper even has potential
) of the Viper to show.
) of the Viper to show.
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Gen II Vipers are capable of being very quick. The quickest 100% stock car I know of is in the 11.50's on Pilot Sports, and there are a bunch that have run in the 11.70-11.80 range.
With 3.31 gears and headers, He'll beat you pretty good if he knows how to drive, even with the mods you have.
BTW, with the new data aquisition devices available today, it's been proven that a competent driver can shift a fully manual transmission much quicker than a regular automatic can shift itself, and even match the shift times of the most state of the art Sequential Manual/Paddle Shift boxes out there.
With 3.31 gears and headers, He'll beat you pretty good if he knows how to drive, even with the mods you have.
BTW, with the new data aquisition devices available today, it's been proven that a competent driver can shift a fully manual transmission much quicker than a regular automatic can shift itself, and even match the shift times of the most state of the art Sequential Manual/Paddle Shift boxes out there.
Last edited by EV2DEMON; May 18, 2006 at 06:19 AM.
