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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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<In my best George Costanza voice>

I see this when the engine is cold...

Is this normal or does it happen to anyone else...

What's the cause? Bad coolant tank cap? Once I crack the cap, I hear the hiss <pressure equalizes> and coolant flowing sound...

Thanks all... Dave Q. (CHECK UPDATE BELOW)

UPDATE #2 The new cap did the trick! Check post #30
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 05:24 PM
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I wonder if the hose is bad. It shouldn't collapse like that.
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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I don't see that on mine. Surely the hose is bad.
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by yelloyello
I wonder if the hose is bad. It shouldn't collapse like that.
Thanks YY & Ben--

I thought that at first, but I found out the new hoses don't come with the metal coil inside to prevent collapsing....

How would a bad hose cause the pressure to not equalize when it cools...

I don't have heat issues, but I just want to hear what others have going on...
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 05:39 PM
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Bad reservoir cap. My hoses did the same until I replaced cap.
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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Bad reservoir cap. My hoses did the same until I replaced cap.
OK.... that's what I believed and a good buddy told me the same thing...

How tight is that thing supposed to be on there? I read the service manual on it, but there's no mention.... and it's hard to tell since this cap doesn't "click" once it's tight enough... I just hand tightened... didn't turn it any harder once it stopped... Before, I tightened it a little more, was I over-tightening it?

Thanks for the info... I think I'm ordering a new one today. GM Parts Direct, here I come!

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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 05:56 PM
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OK.... that's what I believed and a good buddy told me the same thing...

How tight is that thing supposed to be on there? I read the service manual on it, but there's no mention.... and it's hard to tell since this cap doesn't "click" once it's tight enough... I just hand tightened... didn't turn it any harder once it stopped... Before, I tightened it a little more, was I over-tightening it?

Thanks for the info... I think I'm ordering a new one today. GM Parts Direct, here I come!
I just hand tighten maybe a quarter turn once it contacts the reservoir.
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 06:39 PM
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Bad reservoir cap. My hoses did the same until I replaced cap.
Sounds/looks like once the fluid cools it pulls a vacuum, collapsing the hose. The cap is probably the culprit. Of course, what do I know
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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UPDATE

I had a stealership nearby that had one in stock (only $3 more than GM Parts Direct) so I went and got it (the parts guy tried to convince me my cap was not OEM )...

Ok...so now this is a new question for me...

The new cap is apparently the right part number, but it's got a 18 PSI threshold instead of the stock 15 PSI...

I Googled it and found some info which confirmed this (Z06Vette.com), I guess GM didn't put out a bulletin, which leave me wondering if the added pressure will have a ill affect on the surge tank....

Can anyone here confirm or correct this?

Dave Q.
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18 lbs is the new replacement pressure. No ill effects at all on your tank.
Also, make sure your system is completely full. No air at all if possible.
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneStarFRC
18 lbs is the new replacement pressure. No ill effects at all on your tank.
Also, make sure your system is completely full. No air at all if possible.
HTH,
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Thanks Robert!

By system... do you mean even the surge tank?

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Originally Posted by MyVetteDream
Thanks Robert!

By system... do you mean even the surge tank?

Dave
Yes, pretty much so. I keep my surge tank filled almost right up to the underside of the little "grill" you see when you take the cap off.
Not too long after I changed my waterpump, I noticed my upper hose partially collapsing after cool-down too. After a new cap, and adding more coolant mix to the level I mentioned above, no problems at all.
BTW, I think there may have been a little excess air in the system as well.

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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 10:26 PM
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Yes, pretty much so. I keep my surge tank filled almost right up to the underside of the little "grill" you see when you take the cap off.
Not too long after I changed my waterpump, I noticed my upper hose partially collapsing after cool-down too. After a new cap, and adding more coolant mix to the level I mentioned above, no problems at all.
BTW, I think there may have been a little excess air in the system as well.

HTH,
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Ok.... Good info.... thanks for your help Robert...

I installed the new cap... I'll take the car out and let you all know what happens... Thanks for your effort...
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by VERTC5
Bad reservoir cap. My hoses did the same until I replaced cap.
That'd be my guess.
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 06:43 AM
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happened to me once(that i know of) sitting in my friends driveway that slopes with the hood up and noticed it. never happened again though and went away once i turned the motor over. mine was just a fluke i guess
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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 06:52 AM
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This generally comes with age...

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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Old Jun 11, 2006 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by yelloyello
I wonder if the hose is bad. It shouldn't collapse like that.
I've seen a hose do this in the past and it's generally due to age or a defect in the material. How's the coolant level, this also could happen if its low?

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Ok.... Good info.... thanks for your help Robert...

I installed the new cap... I'll take the car out and let you all know what happens... Thanks for your effort...

My 98 and my son's 02 both have this issue with the top hose. I will be watching to see if this fixes the problem. We are both taking our cars to Andy's in about 2 weeks and I don't want to have any problems.
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My 98 and my son's 02 both have this issue with the top hose. I will be watching to see if this fixes the problem. We are both taking our cars to Andy's in about 2 weeks and I don't want to have any problems.
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Yo brotha from anotha motha.....also consider This for two very good reasons....

1.) No more shrinkage
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