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I guess the proof should be in the results. Try it both ways a few times and see what the results are. I have an o4 and can say with cofidence, my car will get squirrly on WOT and do a snakey burn out. I never tried it with AH turned off. I dont know bout you guys but it can be downright scarey on WOT.
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Originally Posted by ValiantSailor
I guess the proof should be in the results. Try it both ways a few times and see what the results are. I have an o4 and can say with cofidence, my car will get squirrly on WOT and do a snakey burn out. I never tried it with AH turned off. I dont know bout you guys but it can be downright scarey on WOT.
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From: Dayton Ohio
Originally Posted by Vega$Vette
Probably good advice. Although I did notice that even if it only moved very little sideways it started to braking thing. Basically it seems once the braking kicks it your run is over.
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Originally Posted by Vega$Vette
So my question remains the same. Has anybody actually compared times at the track in all three modes?
2) I have turned it off totally. I felt a little nervous, so maybe subconciously I didn't drive it as hard and get the best times.
3) With Active Handling on, I've gotten my best times. Still get full power to the rear wheels, but the Active Handling is waiting in the wings if your back end starts to go around on a slick track.
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From: Placerville Ca
Originally Posted by CliffB-99
Yes, 1) I have accidentally left Traction Control on at the track and your car goes nowhere when you drop the clutch.
With Active Handling on, I've gotten my best times.
With Active Handling on, I've gotten my best times.
Can you clarify...
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St. Jude Donor '03
Originally Posted by SultansDiamond
Am I reading this wierd or did you say the same thing twice with opposite meanings??? Is it possible your best time is "going nowhere".
Can you clarify...
Can you clarify...
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From: Phila PA, Bonita Springs FL
Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me
1st Gen active handling (98-00) requires you to be stopped in order to switch to comp mode.
Gen 2 (01 and newer) you can do it on the fly.
Comp mode is ideal for drag racing.
Gen 2 (01 and newer) you can do it on the fly.
Comp mode is ideal for drag racing.
TC/AH OFF~!
Competition Mode> OFF!
Trust me on this..
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St. Jude Donor '06
Originally Posted by YO-EL
TC/AH OFF~!
Competition Mode> OFF!
Trust me on this..
Good Tires are what make you stick. Runflats slick, My BFG stick!
BTW, JFYI, and my little $ .02, your insurance is NULL and VOID on the track. Beware...
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Lot of bad info on this thread.
I hold the records for stock/near stock ET/Traps on 01 Z06, 02 Z06 and 06 Z06 and I never turn off active handling at the drag strip. AH (competitive driving mode) will have no adverse effect on your ET. If it did, then I wouldn't hold the records.
I've seen five C5s hit the wall at the drags. All had AH turned off. I've never seen a car in Comp Driving mode hit the wall.
Turning off AH offers no performance advantage at the drags and only add risk. So I'd suggest running in Comp mode at the drags.
Ranger
I hold the records for stock/near stock ET/Traps on 01 Z06, 02 Z06 and 06 Z06 and I never turn off active handling at the drag strip. AH (competitive driving mode) will have no adverse effect on your ET. If it did, then I wouldn't hold the records.
I've seen five C5s hit the wall at the drags. All had AH turned off. I've never seen a car in Comp Driving mode hit the wall.
Turning off AH offers no performance advantage at the drags and only add risk. So I'd suggest running in Comp mode at the drags.
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Is that right......?????
Well, I have seen 5 C5's hit the wall, and EACH of them WERE RUNNING with A/H "ON"..
So that disproves your theory right there..
Why not let experience dictate what works & what doesn't..?
Many have run with A/H "on" & in Comp Mode, and then with them "off".
Their results both in E/T, R/T & MPH are better with everything "OFF".
You are FLAT OUT WRONG..
There IS a DISTINCT performance advantage running with everything OFF.
Maybe you think otherwise because you have a 6 speed, and you control the shifting rpms etc. while with an automatic, its done via programming..
In any event, I can tell you, if you're a lame azz driver, and don't know when to get off it, A/H ain't gonna save your butt..
Well, I have seen 5 C5's hit the wall, and EACH of them WERE RUNNING with A/H "ON"..
So that disproves your theory right there..
Why not let experience dictate what works & what doesn't..?
Many have run with A/H "on" & in Comp Mode, and then with them "off".
Their results both in E/T, R/T & MPH are better with everything "OFF".
You are FLAT OUT WRONG..
There IS a DISTINCT performance advantage running with everything OFF.
Maybe you think otherwise because you have a 6 speed, and you control the shifting rpms etc. while with an automatic, its done via programming..
In any event, I can tell you, if you're a lame azz driver, and don't know when to get off it, A/H ain't gonna save your butt..
Last edited by YO-EL; Jul 16, 2006 at 12:59 PM.
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Originally Posted by YO-EL
Bro, your self proclaimed records don't mean squat.....
I have seen 5 C5's hit the wall, and EACH of them WERE RUNNING with A/H "ON".. So that disproves your theory right there..
Why not let experience dictate what works & what doesn't..?
Many have run with A/H "on" & in Comp Mode, and then with them "off".
Their results both in E/T, R/T & MPH are better with everything "OFF".
Maybe you think this because you have a 6 speed, and you control the shifting rpms etc. while an automatic, its done via programming..
In any event, I can tell you, if you're a lame azz driver, and don't know when to get off it, A/H ain't gonna save your butt..
I have seen 5 C5's hit the wall, and EACH of them WERE RUNNING with A/H "ON".. So that disproves your theory right there..
Why not let experience dictate what works & what doesn't..?
Many have run with A/H "on" & in Comp Mode, and then with them "off".
Their results both in E/T, R/T & MPH are better with everything "OFF".
Maybe you think this because you have a 6 speed, and you control the shifting rpms etc. while an automatic, its done via programming..
In any event, I can tell you, if you're a lame azz driver, and don't know when to get off it, A/H ain't gonna save your butt..
Please provide links to the incident reports of five drivers hitting the wall with AH-on. In six years of following these boards, I apparently missed those.
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Active Handling doesn't or shouldn't do anything to affect the performance of the car until you are literally sliding sideways.
In a roadcourse or auto-x situation, I could agree with turning AH off, as sometimes, a controlled slide will purposely happen and you don't need or want the interference.
If you're sliding sideways down a straight 1/4 mile track, I think you have bigger things to worry about than performance or best time.
In a roadcourse or auto-x situation, I could agree with turning AH off, as sometimes, a controlled slide will purposely happen and you don't need or want the interference.
If you're sliding sideways down a straight 1/4 mile track, I think you have bigger things to worry about than performance or best time.
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Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me
Active Handling doesn't or shouldn't do anything to affect the performance of the car until you are literally sliding sideways.
In a roadcourse or auto-x situation, I could agree with turning AH off, as sometimes, a controlled slide will purposely happen and you don't need or want the interference.
If you're sliding sideways down a straight 1/4 mile track, I think you have bigger things to worry about than performance or best time.
In a roadcourse or auto-x situation, I could agree with turning AH off, as sometimes, a controlled slide will purposely happen and you don't need or want the interference.
If you're sliding sideways down a straight 1/4 mile track, I think you have bigger things to worry about than performance or best time.
In 533 passes in three Z06 I have had AH intervene twice and both times it kept me off the wall when I hit undetected oil on the track amid the 1-2 shift. Had I hit the wall, it wouldn't have been my fault. But the damage would have been uninsured and very inconvenient. I race my DDs.
So I, and hundreds of other guys racing their DDs, regard Comp Mode as a prudent safety measure at the drag strip. It won't hurt your times whatsoever, and it will help if the car gets loose.
And of course AH start working the brakes literally in milli-seconds, way faster than even an experienced driver can do.
Finally here is my account of one of my wall incidents:
Originally Posted by ranger
I've alway run in COMPETITIVE DRIVING mode at the drags. Do it on principle...It has no effect whatsoever on my times unless my rear end gets seriously out of line, at which point active handling will be invoked, thereby saving my a $ $. In such a moment, my ET would be the last thing on my mind.
Today I narrowly averted a disaster that was not of my making. AH saved my butt and vindicated my practice of running with it turned on.
I made eight passes at Capitol Raceway in Crofton Maryland. On the fourth pass, I was next in line behind a highly modified car that spewed tranny fluid on the track just after the 60’ mark. Unfortunately, no one, including me, noticed the spill as it occurred. AND, I was next.... I had my best launch of the day (1.82) and slammed 2d gear hard amidst his tranny fluid...whereupon my rear end moved violently right...toward the wall. Fortunately, Active Handling engaged and queued me to back out of the throttle immediately upon recognizing my predicament...but not before I had come within just a foot or so of the wall.
Had I turned AH off (as many people do), I surely would have hit the wall HARD. Wouldn’t have been my fault; but certainly would have spoiled the day. When that occurred, the last thing on my mind was my ET...in a day of 12.04 and a bunch of 12.1Xs, plus one trap of 118.1...all in COMPETITVE DRIVING mode.
Today I narrowly averted a disaster that was not of my making. AH saved my butt and vindicated my practice of running with it turned on.
I made eight passes at Capitol Raceway in Crofton Maryland. On the fourth pass, I was next in line behind a highly modified car that spewed tranny fluid on the track just after the 60’ mark. Unfortunately, no one, including me, noticed the spill as it occurred. AND, I was next.... I had my best launch of the day (1.82) and slammed 2d gear hard amidst his tranny fluid...whereupon my rear end moved violently right...toward the wall. Fortunately, Active Handling engaged and queued me to back out of the throttle immediately upon recognizing my predicament...but not before I had come within just a foot or so of the wall.
Had I turned AH off (as many people do), I surely would have hit the wall HARD. Wouldn’t have been my fault; but certainly would have spoiled the day. When that occurred, the last thing on my mind was my ET...in a day of 12.04 and a bunch of 12.1Xs, plus one trap of 118.1...all in COMPETITVE DRIVING mode.
Note that was in a stock 2001 Z06 with a CAI on DRs. I had one similar incident in my 2002 Z06.
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All means nothing dude..
For the serious bracket racer, he turns everything off, to perform better & be more consistent. Period.
For the casual racer, leave it on, but don't think its going to save you if you spin & get loose & don't know enough to lift & get out of it..
BTW Ranger, since you're so good..at racing & pulling up old threads..
Here's an open challenge to you, bracket race with dial in, best 3 out of 5..
You can name the stakes..or just for bragging rights..
Gear jammer mr thinks he knows it all record setter vs little measley YO-EL..
You can make it to E-town, shouldn't be too far..
I'll be there on 7/29...
P.S. Be sure to leave your A/H on... Mine will be off..
Ellis
For the serious bracket racer, he turns everything off, to perform better & be more consistent. Period.
For the casual racer, leave it on, but don't think its going to save you if you spin & get loose & don't know enough to lift & get out of it..
BTW Ranger, since you're so good..at racing & pulling up old threads..
Here's an open challenge to you, bracket race with dial in, best 3 out of 5..
You can name the stakes..or just for bragging rights..
Gear jammer mr thinks he knows it all record setter vs little measley YO-EL..
You can make it to E-town, shouldn't be too far..
I'll be there on 7/29...
P.S. Be sure to leave your A/H on... Mine will be off..
Ellis
Last edited by YO-EL; Jul 16, 2006 at 04:01 PM.
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Originally Posted by YO-EL
All means nothing dude..
For the serious bracket racer, he turns everything off, to perform better & more consistent. Period.
For the casual racer, leave it on, but don't think its going to save you if you spin & get loose & don't know enough to lift & get out of it..
BTW Ranger, since you're so good..
Here's an open challenge to you, bracket race with dial in, best 3 out of 5.. You can name the stakes..or just for bragging rights..
Gear jammer record setter vs YO-EL..
You can make it to E-town, shouldn't be too far..
I'll be there on 7/29...
Ellis
For the serious bracket racer, he turns everything off, to perform better & more consistent. Period.
For the casual racer, leave it on, but don't think its going to save you if you spin & get loose & don't know enough to lift & get out of it..
BTW Ranger, since you're so good..
Here's an open challenge to you, bracket race with dial in, best 3 out of 5.. You can name the stakes..or just for bragging rights..
Gear jammer record setter vs YO-EL..
You can make it to E-town, shouldn't be too far..
I'll be there on 7/29...
Ellis
I'll be at one of the track rentals at Atco this fall, trying to get a bone stock C6Z into the 10s on DRs and doing that in Competitive Driving mode.
Ranger
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Sounds good bro..
I was at the Nov Atco rental, no tears, by Paul Z, and will be there again..
Or sooner if there is another rental..
Let me know if you need a spot filled..
I am good to go, from Sept on out..
Ellis
I was at the Nov Atco rental, no tears, by Paul Z, and will be there again..
Or sooner if there is another rental..
Let me know if you need a spot filled..
I am good to go, from Sept on out..
Ellis
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Originally Posted by Ranger
You are correct. the AH2 introduced in MY 2001 does absolutely nothing at the drag strip unless and until the rear end of car gets seriously out of line. But in such circumstances, if you're in comp mode, AH will intervene to limit the worst that can happen.
In 533 passes in three Z06 I have had AH intervene twice and both times it kept me off the wall when I hit undetected oil on the track amid the 1-2 shift. Had I hit the wall, it wouldn't have been my fault. But the damage would have been uninsured and very inconvenient. I race my DDs.
So I, and hundreds of other guys racing their DDs, regard Comp Mode as a prudent safety measure at the drag strip. It won't hurt your times whatsoever, and it will help if the car gets loose.
And of course AH start working the brakes literally in milli-seconds, way faster than even an experienced driver can do.
Finally here is my account of one of my wall incidents:
Here is the thread I quoted from. and please see post 27 in that thread from TLewis4095, about a bad wall incident without AH.
Note that was in a stock 2001 Z06 with a CAI on DRs. I had one similar incident in my 2002 Z06.
Ranger
In 533 passes in three Z06 I have had AH intervene twice and both times it kept me off the wall when I hit undetected oil on the track amid the 1-2 shift. Had I hit the wall, it wouldn't have been my fault. But the damage would have been uninsured and very inconvenient. I race my DDs.
So I, and hundreds of other guys racing their DDs, regard Comp Mode as a prudent safety measure at the drag strip. It won't hurt your times whatsoever, and it will help if the car gets loose.
And of course AH start working the brakes literally in milli-seconds, way faster than even an experienced driver can do.
Finally here is my account of one of my wall incidents:
Here is the thread I quoted from. and please see post 27 in that thread from TLewis4095, about a bad wall incident without AH.
Note that was in a stock 2001 Z06 with a CAI on DRs. I had one similar incident in my 2002 Z06.
Ranger
I'm running an A4. I saw one guy hit a wall when he hit 2nd with an M6. I think with with auto you have a better chance of keeping it straight then with a 6 speed as you've got both hands on the wheel and for the most part you can just concentrate on steering and not thinking about everything involved with shifting.So now, after reading everbody's opinions, I believe it is most prudent to go with Ranger. Put it Comp Mode for the added insurance. If you keep it straight then your time/speed should not be affected.
I'm hoping for mid 12's with my set up. I have 3:15a now buy have bben thinking of going to 3:42 or 3:73.
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Originally Posted by YO-EL
Sounds good bro..
I was at the Nov Atco rental, no tears, by Paul Z, and will be there again..
Or sooner if there is another rental..
Let me know if you need a spot filled..
I am good to go, from Sept on out..
Ellis
I was at the Nov Atco rental, no tears, by Paul Z, and will be there again..
Or sooner if there is another rental..
Let me know if you need a spot filled..
I am good to go, from Sept on out..
Ellis
Ranger