Okay here is the thing: A 2002 Z06 was ordered new through Overseas Military Car Sales and has spent all it’s life in Germany. The car currently shows 28.200 Miles. It’s in a great condition and drives just perfect. The interior even smells new.
The cars first owner who ordered the car took delivery in Nov. of ’02. He sold the car to the second owner in Oct. ’03 with about 7500 Miles on. Here is were it starts to get weird !
All of the below listed claim history was done at only one dealership in Germany.



Closed Recalls:
RC 04006 ELECTRONIC COLUMN LOCK SYSTEM


CLAIM HISTORY
R.O Date R.O Number Type Labor Operation Odometer Reading
12/29/2005 085454 # F1617 - SEAL, AXLE SHAFT OIL - REAR AXLE - BOTH - REPLACE 33584 miles
12/29/2005 085454 D F1617 - SEAL, AXLE SHAFT OIL - REAR AXLE - BOTH - REPLACE 33584 miles
12/29/2005 085456 # L1224 - SENDER/PUMP ASSEMBLY, FUEL (TANK UNIT) - RIGHT TANK - REPL 33584 miles
12/29/2005 085456 D L1224 - SENDER/PUMP ASSEMBLY, FUEL (TANK UNIT) - RIGHT TANK - REPL 33584 miles
07/08/2005 062522 # F2123 - CARRIER ASSEMBLY - REAR DIFFERENTIAL - R&R 27587 miles
07/08/2005 087532 # E7690 - SENSOR, STEERING WHEEL ROTATION - REPLACE 27587 miles
05/25/2005 058209 # B9616 - LAMP ASSEMBLY, EXTERIOR - PARK AND TURN SIGNAL - RIGHT - R 24587 miles
05/25/2005 058209 # B9617 - LAMP ASSEMBLY, EXTERIOR - PARK AND TURN SIGNAL - LEFT - RE 24587 miles
05/25/2005 058209 # K0800 - DISC AND/OR CLUTCH COVER, CLUTCH - REPLACE 24587 miles
10/08/2004 030722 # H0042 - PADS, DISC BRAKE - FRONT - R&R OR REPLACE 19587 miles
10/08/2004 030722 # H0043 - PADS, DISC BRAKE - REAR - R&R OR REPLACE 19587 miles
10/08/2004 030722 # J0680 - TENSIONER, PRIMARY ACCESSORY DRIVE - REPLACE 19587 miles
10/08/2004 030722 # L0110 - FILTER, FUEL (IN LINE) - REPLACE 19587 miles
10/08/2004 030722 # V1145 - 04006 - PERFORM REPROGRAM AND FUNCTIONAL TEST - MANUALS ON 19587 miles
09/27/2004 028899 # K0800 - DISC AND/OR CLUTCH COVER, CLUTCH - REPLACE 18547 miles
06/21/2004 020473 # F2143 - CARRIER ASSEMBLY (COMPLETE) - REAR DIFFERENTIAL - REPLACE 14587 miles
01/19/2004 002267 # E0420 - WHEEL - ONE - R&R OR REPLACE 11254 miles
01/19/2004 002267 # J1307 - PISTON, ROD AND/OR RINGS - ONE CYL - BOTH BANKS - REPLACE 11254 miles
01/19/2004 120514 # J1307 - PISTON, ROD AND/OR RINGS - ONE CYL - BOTH BANKS - REPLACE 11254 miles



Kind of stunning to see that GM records show 33584 miles on 12/29/05 when the car just shows 28.200 miles now ! The second owner made some notices in the owner manual about oil changes, 02/06/04 @ 11952 Miles ; 08/09/04 @ 11991 Miles ; 05/15/05 @ 19427
If you look at these numbers they can’t even match the GM write-up time wise !
How in the world would one car use up two complete rear differentials & two complete clutch assemblies only within a couple of thousand miles !?
All the second owner told me is that he had the brake pads & discs changed other than that there was no problem with the car at all and no other work besides regular maintenance was done. I know for a fact that the guy was deployed two times while he owned the car. On his second deployment he got very badly injured on his leg, so he definitely wasn’t driving around either. I really wonder how it would be possible for the car to have a major part replaced every several months while the owner was not even in the country !?
The service person who was responsible for work on this car was kind of well known through out the area for being very obliging in terms of parts change. As a matter of fact that stupid person did so much “service” that he got himself fired !... so obviously there is another case of fraud here too.
I heard of free clutch exchanges for some local C5 owners and stuff like that….
The only thing that I’m trying to find out is weather the previous owner did fraud on the odometer or if that crooked service person made up miles in order to order parts that never made it into this car and instead were sold or god knows what went down with them.
I’m really clueless on what to think about the whole thing. I already talked to my dealer today and he thinks that the mileage was made up by that service person in order to screw around with extra parts and make some money on them. I am aware that most of these big parts have to be returned to GM, but I was informed that here things here in Germany work a little different and GM is not too concerned about shipping old parts back. My dealer knows the whole US Car scene here in Germany very well and he said that this is not an isolated cause and that he heard of things like that happen before.
What’s your opinion on this ? Do you think the cars odometer was rolled back and basically is a running parts shelf or the GM service person screwed big time ?

 

Run...

Peace
Willfulone

 

 

German dealership would have used kilometer not miles. Maybe that would explain some difference in records.

 

Correction: Run FAST.

 

The german dealership used miles for sure as they do contract work.

 

Piston, Rod, two Diffs??? No good, sounds like someone's drag racing and spraying too.

I wouldnt' touch that car, not even for the right price.

I'd be willing to bet, most Z06 owners drive them harder then the regular coupes and verts...

 

Good call.

 

28,200 miles equals 45,382 kilometers.....that looks like it may be inline with the claim history....

atilla...

 

I know that 28,200 miles equal 45,382 kilometers, thats just the number that the odometer is showing now. The last recorded milage by the dealership was 33584 miles as of 12/29/05. Like I said, they are recorded in miles.

 

I would
then again i drive everything that way ... my truck gets worked over in the woods .. vette on the roads, and the family car with kids in it

 

There really isn't a simple way to roll back the mileage - not with electronic odometers. Think about it - when you cut the battery power, the mileage doesn't "zero". The mileage is retained somewhere. I can't remember if it's in the module itself or the PCM.

Personally - there are too many questions that have no answers. Reminds me of the my favorite Chinese resturant - Som Ting Stinks.

There are too many nice cars out there to buy one with such a nebulous and questionable background. I suggest - keep looking.

 

Pass on this one and keep looking...

 

All i was saying is that if the "mileage" had been keyed in as kilometers, the numbers fall in line with the claim history. If you know for sure that did not happen, then there appears to be a definate problem.

atilla...

 

It appears that you are 100% convinced that there is fraud involved...than why are we having this conversation..?

Walk away from the thing and fast

 

let's take this from another angle - 33000km = about 20000 miles. Seems to me that would be about right for the mileage the car shows today...

 

Regardless of the mileage issue, this car has been driven hard and thrashed. Keep looking.

 

Run Luke, Run

piston's , rods, clutch, diff?? I smell NOS or this car has been ridden harder than a hooker

 

... you bad

 

So no one thinks that it was just done by the crooked service person in order to make a good buck off extra parts ?