Notices
C5 General General C5 Corvette and C5 Z06 Discussion not covered in Tech

C5 speeding ticket ...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 02:06 AM
  #21  
Crabr1's Avatar
Crabr1
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,315
Likes: 28
From: Wa
Default Amish

Originally Posted by Delta3-2
I get a kick out of all you poophouse lawyers.

Yes, the officer has radar/laser technology he uses to get you coming or going !

If you were speeding and got caught, the best you can do is go to the magistrate, plead for forgiveness, and ask they reduce the ticket. Save on points and the fine.

Beyond that....you're screwed ! Start slowing down and you can save on fuel too. Imagine the gas you could buy with the fine you're going to pay ?

Oh, and as an aside....do you people realize there are insurance companies out there providing law enforcement agencies with FREE radar/laser guns ? Yep....you guys are paying premiums so your insurer can provide detection devices to help raise your rates ! GEICO is one of 'em !

DG
Another negative comment from the amish.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 02:39 AM
  #22  
Arfboy's Avatar
Arfboy
Racer
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 319
Likes: 0
From: Los Angeles CA
Default

Originally Posted by Delta3-2
If you were speeding and got caught, the best you can do is go to the magistrate, plead for forgiveness, and ask they reduce the ticket. Save on points and the fine.
Tried that. Failed miserably. Learned my lesson. Now I drive like grandma.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 02:57 AM
  #23  
ryan.swift's Avatar
ryan.swift
Instructor
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 116
Likes: 0
From: Salida Colorado
Default

Originally Posted by Whiteonrice
I think you should do a little more homework rather that just asking here. Maybe they can, I just don't see how unless the radar unit is somehow tied to the cars speedometer. Speed is relative, coming, going no problem from a fixed position. Consider the problems with an oncoming car at an unknown distance and angle that is contantly changing and I think it would be very difficult to get an accurate reading. My .02, fight it and best of luck.

I agree ... ask them how they compute the net speed because there would have to be an adjustment for the LEO's speed ... ask to see the alogorithm and source code the manufacturer uses to compute your speed in general ... then ask for the code that computes the net speed. Maybe you can find some swift software engineer to take a look at it and tell you how accurate it is more likely though, the manufacture will not provide any of it because its proprietary information. How can they say there is not a bug in the software, or that its 100% correct?

-Swifty
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 03:33 AM
  #24  
2 GRUMPY's Avatar
2 GRUMPY
Safety Car
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,545
Likes: 17
From: Bartlett Tennessee
Default Speeding

20 years ago my Fathers cousin was in charge of the INTERSTATE PATROL here. Even back then he told us a Patrol car could Tack and CLOCK up to 6 Lanes of traffic coming and going whether he was moving or not !!! Allright you COPS with VETTES it's your turn to chime in !!!!
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:38 AM
  #25  
vettecop1125's Avatar
vettecop1125
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 7,795
Likes: 2
From: Noblesville Indiana
CI 7-8 Veteran
St. Jude Donor '03-'04-'05
Default

Yes, there is such a thing as moving radar. I won't go in to the details because someone else already did a good job of that.

For all you non-believers out there, I'm 200% positive that a LEO can get your speed while he's moving.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:40 AM
  #26  
aus10cop's Avatar
aus10cop
Instructor
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 178
Likes: 0
From: Austin Texas
Default

Originally Posted by ryan.swift
I agree ... ask them how they compute the net speed because there would have to be an adjustment for the LEO's speed ... ask to see the alogorithm and source code the manufacturer uses to compute your speed in general ... then ask for the code that computes the net speed. Maybe you can find some swift software engineer to take a look at it and tell you how accurate it is more likely though, the manufacture will not provide any of it because its proprietary information. How can they say there is not a bug in the software, or that its 100% correct?

-Swifty
Sounds like you're taking the wrong person to court!!! Case law has been upheld that the use of radars/lasers/lidar to determine violator speeds is a standardized and accepted practice nationwide. It has also been upheld that officers need not know the intricacies of their tools beyond their level of expertise. In other words, we are not required to be able to explain "algorithms and source codes", nor be able to explain how a radar makes adjustments for patrol speed. We are merely required to know BASIC OPERATION of the tools we use. Think about it: you may know how to put a DVD into your player, press the play button, and watch the movie on the screen, but do you know exactly how the movie is transferred from the disc to your television screen and which algorithms and source codes are used to do so?

Therefore, if you want someone to testify to all of that information, a expert witness will have to be served with a subpoena, and they also normally charge a hefty price (upwards of $250/hr) to testify....ALL AT THE DEFENDANT'S (YOUR) EXPENSE because the prosecution is not required to put on such evidence. It would be cheaper to pay the ticket, take your points on your license and SLOW DOWN!!!

From my personal experience of testifying in court (which I do at least 5-6 times per week), if you go into court playing the, "I wanna know the source codes and algorithms of your radar" tactic, the prosecutor, judge, and often the jury, will eat your lunch!!! You will be found guilty, assessed the MAXIMUM FINE + COURT COSTS, assessed points on your license, not allowed to take any defensive driving class or deferred adjudication, and sent away crying like a little biaaaaatch. It happens all the time. Moral of the story: Pleading "Not Guilty" is your right as an American....especially if you're not guilty. However, if you're honestly guilty and going to take that approach...make sure you know what you're talking about when you do it (or hire a real lawyer who can pretend like he does), because if you don't...the prosecutor, judge, and/or jury will just see you as a poophouse lawyer!!

Poophouse lawyer (noun) = normally, a guilty person, trying to dig deep to find a reason to get out of what he/she did to land him in court in the first place.

cha ching...$0.02 deposited

Last edited by aus10cop; Sep 6, 2006 at 07:58 AM.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:56 AM
  #27  
HIRISC's Avatar
HIRISC
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,439
Likes: 3
From: MN
St. Jude Donor '06
Default

Originally Posted by aus10cop
Sounds like you're taking the wrong person to court!!! Case law has been upheld that the use of radars/lasers/lidar to determine violator speeds is a standardized and accepted practice nationwide. It has also been upheld that officers need not know the intricacies of their tools beyond their level of expertise. In other words, we are not required to be able to explain "algorithms and source codes", nor be able to explain how a radar makes adjustments for patrol speed. We are merely required to know BASIC OPERATION of the tools we use. Think about it: you may know how to put a DVD into your player, press the play button, and watch the movie on the screen, but do you know exactly how the movie is transferred from the disc to your television screen and which algorithms and source codes are used to do so?

Therefore, if you want someone to testify to all of that information, a expert witness will have to be served with a subpoena, and they also normally charge a hefty price to testify....ALL AT THE DEFENDANT'S (YOUR) EXPENSE because the prosecution is not required to put on such evidence. It would be cheaper to pay the ticket, take your points on your license and SLOW DOWN!!!

From my personal experience of testifying in court (which I do at least 5-6 times per week), if you go into court playing the, "I wanna know the source codes and algorithms of your radar" tactic, the prosecutor, judge, and often the jury, will eat your lunch!!! You will be found guilty, assessed the MAXIMUM FINE + COURT COSTS, assessed points on your license, not allowed to take any defensive driving class or deferred adjudication, and sent away crying like a little biaaaaatch....


Case closed it would seem.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:57 AM
  #28  
Allzwell's Avatar
Allzwell
Safety Car
20 Year Member
St. Jude 15 Year Donor
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,854
Likes: 8
From: Pearland, TX
Cruise-In VIII Veteran
St. Jude Donor '03 thru '20
Default

Absofrigginlutely LEO's can calculate your speed when both vehicles are moving in opposite directions.

The ticket will stand, the best that you can do is opt for driver training and reduced points.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-6

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

 Joe Kucinski
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 08:05 AM
  #29  
GREG O.'s Avatar
GREG O.
Drifting
15 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,819
Likes: 5
From: Annapolis Md.
Default speed

my brother a cop for 27years, rarely writes traffic violations. Doesn't need the courts overtime pay, just too much paperwork and bull. Yet, 2 months ago he saw a vehicle going in the other direction at a very high rate of speed,[ like sometimes I do] and he caught up to him and gave him a green stamp WITHOUT even knowing his speed. I reside in gestapo territory in Maryland,and my brother told me that since he was a professional officer that he knows when someone is going too fast and can ticket them on the spot.no devices or pacing needed. NOW THAT SUCKS
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 08:09 AM
  #30  
aus10cop's Avatar
aus10cop
Instructor
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 178
Likes: 0
From: Austin Texas
Default

Originally Posted by GREG O.
my brother a cop for 27years, rarely writes traffic violations. Doesn't need the courts overtime pay, just too much paperwork and bull. Yet, 2 months ago he saw a vehicle going in the other direction at a very high rate of speed,[ like sometimes I do] and he caught up to him and gave him a green stamp WITHOUT even knowing his speed. I reside in gestapo territory in Maryland,and my brother told me that since he was a professional officer that he knows when someone is going too fast and can ticket them on the spot.no devices or pacing needed. NOW THAT SUCKS
IMHO, cops like that give the rest of us a bad wrap. Yes, there are bad apples out there.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 08:09 AM
  #31  
Dark-Knight's Avatar
Dark-Knight
Race Director
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 11,133
Likes: 1
From: ~The DARKSIDE Group~
Default

I got busted in Dallas a few weeks ago for doing 55 in a 45. Guy let me go for no front plate.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 10:02 AM
  #32  
chocoholic's Avatar
chocoholic
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,146
Likes: 0
From: The Internet
Default

Originally Posted by ryan.swift
I agree ... ask them how they compute the net speed because there would have to be an adjustment for the LEO's speed ... ask to see the alogorithm and source code the manufacturer uses to compute your speed in general ... then ask for the code that computes the net speed. Maybe you can find some swift software engineer to take a look at it and tell you how accurate it is more likely though, the manufacture will not provide any of it because its proprietary information. How can they say there is not a bug in the software, or that its 100% correct?

-Swifty
Seeing that you're suggesting that the OP challenge basic high-school physics, maybe the manufacturer should also be required to demonstrate that they can prove the speed of light too?
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 10:20 AM
  #33  
bizaro's Avatar
bizaro
Race Director
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 18,447
Likes: 14
From: Sheboygan Wisconsin
St. Jude Donor '04-'05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14
Default

Originally Posted by vettesmith02


Coming and going with radar.

I would challenge lidar but for technical reasons beyond this forum.

did he just call us stupid?
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2006 | 10:22 AM
  #34  
Grumpy's Avatar
Grumpy
MONARTOR
20 Year Member
Veteran: Army
St. Jude 20 Year Donor
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 249,879
Likes: 146
From: What I know, is dwarfed by what I pretend to know
Cruise-In 5-6-7-8 Veteran
St. Jude Donor '03 thru '26
NCM Sinkhole Donor
Default

Originally Posted by HIRISC


Case closed it would seem.
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:17 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-1
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-2
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-4
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-8
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette lineup vs the world.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-24 16:12:42


VIEW MORE