I'm Sorry, column lock question
Le Mans Master
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From: HONOLULU HAWAII
As many others have stated, stay away from the recall fix. If you bothered to do a search you would find many posts from people who got screwed with GM's "fix". Just because it is free, it is not the route to go. If you choose not to spend the $50 on the CLB, believe me you will pay more later in aggravation and frustration...
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Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '07
No offense, but this GM thing is new to me. I've owned at least 10-12 brand new Fords over the years. If there was a problem in a model run in the first or second year, it didn't appear in the 6th or 7th year of the run. It was designed out in production the following model year.
Second if a vehicle was recalled, THE FIX WORKED! I am shocked and blown away that #1, this problem STILL EXISTS in '04, and you are telling me NOT TO TRUST THE COMPANY that built the car, to fix the car.
Yet, GM buyers tend to have high product loyalty, and are repeat purchasers, but from what you are telling me folks tolerate this treatment. Ok, I'm writing a letter to GM, and explaining my dissatisfaction and the fact I am a first time buyer of the brand. My car is an '04, and has been back for warranty repair already for 4 items, and you are telling me that they can't properly fix the column lock mechanism, my battery may leak and destroy my body computer, my ebcm may die, my power lock modules fail, my rockers may break, and needle bearings fall in the oil pan, my spark plugs go bad by 30K miles, my rear differential can develop leaks, my headlight door gears will strip. Do you see my point? This is an expensive car! I shouldn't have to pay for defects out of pocket, this is the most expensive (sticker price) car I have ever bought. I love the car, and the features, but this quantity of defects is ridiculous! GM NEEDS TO HEAR FROM ALL BUYERS THAT HAVE THIS MANY DEFECTS AND COMPLAIN! Anyrate, (as I step off the soap box) I think people tolerate too much in the way of defects because of the uniqueness of the car, and should speak out more.
John
Second if a vehicle was recalled, THE FIX WORKED! I am shocked and blown away that #1, this problem STILL EXISTS in '04, and you are telling me NOT TO TRUST THE COMPANY that built the car, to fix the car.
Yet, GM buyers tend to have high product loyalty, and are repeat purchasers, but from what you are telling me folks tolerate this treatment. Ok, I'm writing a letter to GM, and explaining my dissatisfaction and the fact I am a first time buyer of the brand. My car is an '04, and has been back for warranty repair already for 4 items, and you are telling me that they can't properly fix the column lock mechanism, my battery may leak and destroy my body computer, my ebcm may die, my power lock modules fail, my rockers may break, and needle bearings fall in the oil pan, my spark plugs go bad by 30K miles, my rear differential can develop leaks, my headlight door gears will strip. Do you see my point? This is an expensive car! I shouldn't have to pay for defects out of pocket, this is the most expensive (sticker price) car I have ever bought. I love the car, and the features, but this quantity of defects is ridiculous! GM NEEDS TO HEAR FROM ALL BUYERS THAT HAVE THIS MANY DEFECTS AND COMPLAIN! Anyrate, (as I step off the soap box) I think people tolerate too much in the way of defects because of the uniqueness of the car, and should speak out more.
John
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Not to rain on everybody's parade, but I had the fix done last year by my local Chevy dealer and everything is working fine. The column can't physically lock because all the parts that would have locked the steering wheel are removed. The electronics have been bypassed to take care of the fuel shutoff problem.
Do what you think best, but please read all of the 786 threads that have been written on this subject before you make your decision.
Do what you think best, but please read all of the 786 threads that have been written on this subject before you make your decision.
Le Mans Master
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From: HONOLULU HAWAII
No offense, but this GM thing is new to me. I've owned at least 10-12 brand new Fords over the years. If there was a problem in a model run in the first or second year, it didn't appear in the 6th or 7th year of the run. It was designed out in production the following model year.
Second if a vehicle was recalled, THE FIX WORKED! I am shocked and blown away that #1, this problem STILL EXISTS in '04, and you are telling me NOT TO TRUST THE COMPANY that built the car, to fix the car.
Yet, GM buyers tend to have high product loyalty, and are repeat purchasers, but from what you are telling me folks tolerate this treatment. Ok, I'm writing a letter to GM, and explaining my dissatisfaction and the fact I am a first time buyer of the brand. My car is an '04, and has been back for warranty repair already for 4 items, and you are telling me that they can't properly fix the column lock mechanism, my battery may leak and destroy my body computer, my ebcm may die, my power lock modules fail, my rockers may break, and needle bearings fall in the oil pan, my spark plugs go bad by 30K miles, my rear differential can develop leaks, my headlight door gears will strip. Do you see my point? This is an expensive car! I shouldn't have to pay for defects out of pocket, this is the most expensive (sticker price) car I have ever bought. I love the car, and the features, but this quantity of defects is ridiculous! GM NEEDS TO HEAR FROM ALL BUYERS THAT HAVE THIS MANY DEFECTS AND COMPLAIN! Anyrate, (as I step off the soap box) I think people tolerate too much in the way of defects because of the uniqueness of the car, and should speak out more.
John
Second if a vehicle was recalled, THE FIX WORKED! I am shocked and blown away that #1, this problem STILL EXISTS in '04, and you are telling me NOT TO TRUST THE COMPANY that built the car, to fix the car.
Yet, GM buyers tend to have high product loyalty, and are repeat purchasers, but from what you are telling me folks tolerate this treatment. Ok, I'm writing a letter to GM, and explaining my dissatisfaction and the fact I am a first time buyer of the brand. My car is an '04, and has been back for warranty repair already for 4 items, and you are telling me that they can't properly fix the column lock mechanism, my battery may leak and destroy my body computer, my ebcm may die, my power lock modules fail, my rockers may break, and needle bearings fall in the oil pan, my spark plugs go bad by 30K miles, my rear differential can develop leaks, my headlight door gears will strip. Do you see my point? This is an expensive car! I shouldn't have to pay for defects out of pocket, this is the most expensive (sticker price) car I have ever bought. I love the car, and the features, but this quantity of defects is ridiculous! GM NEEDS TO HEAR FROM ALL BUYERS THAT HAVE THIS MANY DEFECTS AND COMPLAIN! Anyrate, (as I step off the soap box) I think people tolerate too much in the way of defects because of the uniqueness of the car, and should speak out more.
John
I don't feel writing a letter will do much good, just take your business elsewhere. You might want to wait till a few of those things you listed actually happen to you before you complain, who knows you may have a problem free car like many of us do.
I still say invest the $50 for the CLB and have peace of mind...good luck!
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From: Clayton New Jersey
Why wouldn't you want the dealer to reprogram the computer? Does it hurt performance?
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From: HONOLULU HAWAII
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St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16
No offense, but this GM thing is new to me. I've owned at least 10-12 brand new Fords over the years. If there was a problem in a model run in the first or second year, it didn't appear in the 6th or 7th year of the run. It was designed out in production the following model year.
Second if a vehicle was recalled, THE FIX WORKED! I am shocked and blown away that #1, this problem STILL EXISTS in '04, and you are telling me NOT TO TRUST THE COMPANY that built the car, to fix the car.
Yet, GM buyers tend to have high product loyalty, and are repeat purchasers, but from what you are telling me folks tolerate this treatment. Ok, I'm writing a letter to GM, and explaining my dissatisfaction and the fact I am a first time buyer of the brand. My car is an '04, and has been back for warranty repair already for 4 items, and you are telling me that they can't properly fix the column lock mechanism, my battery may leak and destroy my body computer, my ebcm may die, my power lock modules fail, my rockers may break, and needle bearings fall in the oil pan, my spark plugs go bad by 30K miles, my rear differential can develop leaks, my headlight door gears will strip. Do you see my point? This is an expensive car! I shouldn't have to pay for defects out of pocket, this is the most expensive (sticker price) car I have ever bought. I love the car, and the features, but this quantity of defects is ridiculous! GM NEEDS TO HEAR FROM ALL BUYERS THAT HAVE THIS MANY DEFECTS AND COMPLAIN! Anyrate, (as I step off the soap box) I think people tolerate too much in the way of defects because of the uniqueness of the car, and should speak out more.
John
Second if a vehicle was recalled, THE FIX WORKED! I am shocked and blown away that #1, this problem STILL EXISTS in '04, and you are telling me NOT TO TRUST THE COMPANY that built the car, to fix the car.
Yet, GM buyers tend to have high product loyalty, and are repeat purchasers, but from what you are telling me folks tolerate this treatment. Ok, I'm writing a letter to GM, and explaining my dissatisfaction and the fact I am a first time buyer of the brand. My car is an '04, and has been back for warranty repair already for 4 items, and you are telling me that they can't properly fix the column lock mechanism, my battery may leak and destroy my body computer, my ebcm may die, my power lock modules fail, my rockers may break, and needle bearings fall in the oil pan, my spark plugs go bad by 30K miles, my rear differential can develop leaks, my headlight door gears will strip. Do you see my point? This is an expensive car! I shouldn't have to pay for defects out of pocket, this is the most expensive (sticker price) car I have ever bought. I love the car, and the features, but this quantity of defects is ridiculous! GM NEEDS TO HEAR FROM ALL BUYERS THAT HAVE THIS MANY DEFECTS AND COMPLAIN! Anyrate, (as I step off the soap box) I think people tolerate too much in the way of defects because of the uniqueness of the car, and should speak out more.
John
After the failed recalls which reprogramed the MN-6's computer to shut down the fuel supply, I, and many others, who frequent the CF started a letter campaign to the NTSB demanding that they grant a one time waiver to GM to allow them to remove the locking steering column from the MN-6's. I never received a response from the NTSB but apparently they got enough complaints, demands, etc., that suddenly (a few months later) GM issued the latest recall in which they remove the locking plate so the columns can never lock again. It seems obvious to me that GM received that waiver we demanded, or GM would be facing millions of dollars of fines for removing the locking devices.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Clayton New Jersey
Because of the fact that the 1968 Federal law requires all vehicles in the U.S. to have a locking steering column and/or a locking gear shift GM was not able to do away with the locking steering column on the MN-6 cars as they did on the A-4's. Legally, they could have non-locking steering columns on the A-4's because they still met the letter of the law with the locking gear shifter.
After the failed recalls which reprogramed the MN-6's computer to shut down the fuel supply, I, and many others, who frequent the CF started a letter campaign to the NTSB demanding that they grant a one time waiver to GM to allow them to remove the locking steering column from the MN-6's. I never received a response from the NTSB but apparently they got enough complaints, demands, etc., that suddenly (a few months later) GM issued the latest recall in which they remove the locking plate so the columns can never lock again. It seems obvious to me that GM received that waiver we demanded, or GM would be facing millions of dollars of fines for removing the locking devices.
There is tremendous power in this forum!
After the failed recalls which reprogramed the MN-6's computer to shut down the fuel supply, I, and many others, who frequent the CF started a letter campaign to the NTSB demanding that they grant a one time waiver to GM to allow them to remove the locking steering column from the MN-6's. I never received a response from the NTSB but apparently they got enough complaints, demands, etc., that suddenly (a few months later) GM issued the latest recall in which they remove the locking plate so the columns can never lock again. It seems obvious to me that GM received that waiver we demanded, or GM would be facing millions of dollars of fines for removing the locking devices.
There is tremendous power in this forum!
MN-6 at the dealer. After reading your thread I had to go out in the garage and check. Guess what my column no longer locks.
Thanks Forum
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Le Mans Master
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Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07
We all know that the GM fix DOES not work. They have had 3 or 4 now and they still don't have it right. Get a CLB. If you can afford a Vette what's another $50 not to have any more problems. In fact GM paid for my CLB.
Funny you should day that...Had the GM "fix" done to my '98 A4 about 4 years ago. Absolutely no problems whatsoever.
Maybe I'm the exception, and not the rule....
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Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '07
Sounds like you should have stuck with a Ford (mmmm...let's see now, how many billions did they lose last year?).
Ha, ha, Ford only lost half, 12 billion as compared to GM's loss of 24Billion with the FIAT fiasco, remember, only a few short years ago. Or how about GM's giveaway rebates, just a year or two ago. All the domestics are in deep S$%T due to quality. But my point is this car has had already more defects than the last 5 Fords I have purchased. GM, FORD, CHRYSLER all need to here it when we are disatisfied, that truly is my point. I would not want to have a limited car market and not be offered fun cars to drive like Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger
and others. But in order to maintain those choices the companie's mainstay offerings must be fuel efficient, reliable, high quality, appealing and affordably priced.
BTW, the least defects per 500 cars of the mainstream domestics goes to Mercury at 156/500, Honda 193, Nissan 204, Ford 224, Chevrolet 243. Most of the Japanese marques (except Lexus) scored in the low 200's. The industry average is 227. I also believe Cadillac and Buick scored well. I read this article last week on MSN news.
John
Ha, ha, Ford only lost half, 12 billion as compared to GM's loss of 24Billion with the FIAT fiasco, remember, only a few short years ago. Or how about GM's giveaway rebates, just a year or two ago. All the domestics are in deep S$%T due to quality. But my point is this car has had already more defects than the last 5 Fords I have purchased. GM, FORD, CHRYSLER all need to here it when we are disatisfied, that truly is my point. I would not want to have a limited car market and not be offered fun cars to drive like Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger
and others. But in order to maintain those choices the companie's mainstay offerings must be fuel efficient, reliable, high quality, appealing and affordably priced.
BTW, the least defects per 500 cars of the mainstream domestics goes to Mercury at 156/500, Honda 193, Nissan 204, Ford 224, Chevrolet 243. Most of the Japanese marques (except Lexus) scored in the low 200's. The industry average is 227. I also believe Cadillac and Buick scored well. I read this article last week on MSN news.
John
Burning Brakes
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What two fuses?
I had my bye pass kit and was planning on doing it one saturday morning. after the recall had been DONE. and sure nuff backing out of the carport the service column lock massage appeared. i called my buddy who was supposed to help, thought i was joking ! when i told him what was happening . so i loaded the car on the trailer and carried it to his house to in install the bye pass kit and we pulled 2 fusses for a few seconds and now no more problems . and he said he has had it work on another car also .
but that's where the problem is they dont fix the pin you hear. thats what controls yours gas and cuts the car off when you go 2 mph
but that's where the problem is they dont fix the pin you hear. thats what controls yours gas and cuts the car off when you go 2 mph