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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:01 AM
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It is running rich (new cam install and simple HP tune) So next sat I will get some long tubes and new cats and have a dyno tune. If it doesn't pass again I'll just say f it and get it registered in AZ where it won't be an issue.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:04 AM
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Make sure you have a friendly smog guy
Long tubes are illegal in Calif.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by C5Ron
Make sure you have a friendly smog guy
Long tubes are illegal in Calif.
I told the tuner I want to be CA legal which no surprise is more expensive, honestly I am going to find out the rules for AZ if no cats and long tubes will work there F Cali I'm registered for a year and I'm leaving in two weeks to go home anyways.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 01:21 AM
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What I heard was........The long tubes change the position of the cats and that is illegal. The car can still blow clean and if nobody cares about the visual you wont have a problem. If you have to go to a state tester and he looks..............you fail
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by C5Ron
What I heard was........The long tubes change the position of the cats and that is illegal. The car can still blow clean and if nobody cares about the visual you wont have a problem. If you have to go to a state tester and he looks..............you fail
One more reason I hate this state! I'm going to do it anyways and just smog it in AZ.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe0121
One more reason I hate this state! I'm going to do it anyways and just smog it in AZ.
How fast can you leave?
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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I agree it really sucks here in California.

I have the LT's and in a year or so I'm up for smog!

Sounds like some fun! Although I don't know what it takes to register in AZ!

Mine should blow clean on the Tune I have.

Where are you having it tuned? Have you thought about going to LAPD in chatsworth?

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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 10:31 AM
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you can beat the system in california...no problem
i did it for 12 years. hehehehe
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Hate to rub it in, but...I just passed yesterday.

I think it the person doing the check can have a LOT to do with it, certainly the visual...
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by C5Ron
Make sure you have a friendly smog guy
Is his name Ben Franklin

Keith
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:38 PM
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after u get LTs go to ANDY (a&a) and get urself a tune (500$) and u will pass with flying colors....

unless ur cam is more than 114 LSA
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Glad I don't live in CA - would hate to put up with all those rules/regulations.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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What are your cam specs?
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JDs00PewterCoupe
Glad I don't live in CA - would hate to put up with all those rules/regulations.

JD,

It typically doesn't rain from April until November, humidity is seldom over 60%, and mid-Winter temps average 65F. Believe me (a guy who lived in CT for 24 years), the tradeoff is well worth the slight inconvenience of having to forgo long tube headers. In fact, pretty much every supercharger IS perfectly legal here in CA. We're talking 500 HP in a smog-legal car.

I used to make fun of CA when I lived in CT; that is, until I came out here one week in January of 84 when the average day temp was 72 and that rented Lebaron rag top was dropped every single day.

I went back, a changed man - forever!

BTW, my car just recently passed the smog test. It took me 30 minutes to swap out the Halltech intake for the Z06 box and remove my coalescing filter. I'm good for another 2 years.

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AZ has essentially the same laws as CA regarding emissions. This is ARS 28-955 regarding exhaust on a motor vehicle operated on a public highway...

28-955. Mufflers; noise and air pollution prevention; emissions control devices; civil penalty; exception
A. A motor vehicle shall be equipped at all times with a muffler that is in good working order and that is in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise.
B. A person shall not use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device on a motor vehicle on a highway.
C. The engine and power mechanism of a motor vehicle shall be equipped and adjusted to prevent the escape of excessive fumes or smoke.
D. Beginning with motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines of the 1968 model year, motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines shall be equipped with emissions control devices that meet the standards established by the director of environmental quality.
E. A person who violates this section is subject to a civil penalty of at least one hundred dollars.
F. This section does not apply to an electrically powered motor vehicle.

These two statute concerns vehicle inspections...

28-982. Vehicle and equipment inspection; notice of repair or adjustment
A. If at any time there is reasonable cause to believe that a vehicle is unsafe or is not equipped as required by law or that a vehicle's equipment is not in proper adjustment or repair, the superintendent of the highway patrol, members of the highway patrol, other officers and employees of the department of public safety as the director may designate and any peace officer may require the driver of the vehicle to stop and submit the vehicle to an inspection and such test with reference to the inspection as may be appropriate.
B. If the vehicle is in an unsafe condition or any required part or equipment is not present or is not in proper repair and adjustment, the officer shall give a written notice to the driver. The officer's department shall retain the original of the notice. The notice shall state:
1. That the vehicle is required to be placed in safe condition and that the vehicle's equipment is required to be properly repaired and adjusted.
2. The particulars with reference to the requirements provided in paragraph 1.
3. That a certificate of correction or adjustment of illegal or faulty equipment shall be obtained within five days.
C.The director of the department of public safety shall prescribe the form of the notice required by this section.

28-983. Compliance with inspection laws; operation prohibited
A. A person driving a vehicle shall not refuse to submit the vehicle to an inspection and test if required to do so by an officer authorized by section 28-982.
B. On receiving a notice as provided in section 28-982, the owner or driver of the vehicle shall comply with the notice and shall secure within five days the certification of adjustment that is provided on the notice. When the certification is completed, the notice shall be forwarded to the issuing department. In lieu of compliance with this subsection the vehicle shall not be operated, except as provided in subsection C of this section.
C. A person shall not operate a vehicle after receiving a notice pursuant to section 28-982 until the vehicle and its equipment have been placed in proper repair and adjustment and otherwise have been made to conform to the requirements of this chapter, unless it is necessary to return the vehicle to the residence or place of business of the owner or driver that is not more than a distance of twenty miles or to a garage.
D. If repair or adjustment of a vehicle or its equipment is found necessary on inspection, the owner of the vehicle:
1. May obtain the repair or adjustment at any place the owner chooses.
2.Shall not operate the vehicle on a highway until the certification of adjustment is obtained.

Fraudulent registration is covered here...

28-2152. Registration in county of residence; violation; classification; civil penalty; fee transfer
A. A person who registers a motor vehicle belonging to the person or leased to the person in a county other than the county where the person maintains the person's permanent and actual residence or at a place within the county that is outside the vehicle emissions control area with intent to evade title 49, chapter 3, article 5 is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor and is subject to a fine of no more than one hundred dollars.
B. A lessee of a vehicle titled in the name of a lessor shall register the vehicle in the county where the lessee resides. The lessee shall provide documentation satisfactory to the director that the person is the lessee of the vehicle and resides in the county in which the person applies for registration of the vehicle.
C.A person who registers a motor vehicle belonging to the person or leased to the person in a county other than the county where the person maintains the person's permanent and actual residence or at a place within the county that is outside the vehicle emissions control area is responsible for a civil violation and is subject to a civil penalty of no more than one hundred dollars.
A county assessor who registers a motor vehicle illegally for a person not residing in the county shall transfer monies collected and retained by the county in connection with the registration to the county assessor of the county of the person's permanent and actual residence.
...and here...

28-2153. Registration requirement; exceptions; assessment; violation; classification
A. A person shall not operate, move or leave standing on a highway a motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer unless the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer has been registered with the department for the current registration year or is properly registered for the current registration year by the state or country of which the owner or lessee is a resident.
B. A resident shall not operate, move or leave standing on a highway a motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer that is:
1. Owned by a nonresident and that is primarily under the control of a resident of this state for more than seven months unless the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer has been registered with the department for the current registration year.
2. Leased by the resident for more than twenty-nine days unless the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer has been registered with the department for the current registration year.
C. This section applies to a trailer or semitrailer without motive power unless the vehicle is disabled or is being towed as an abandoned vehicle at the direction of a law enforcement agency.
D. This section does not apply to:
1. A farm tractor.
2. A trailer used solely in the operation of a farm for transporting the unprocessed fiber or forage products of a farm or any implement of husbandry designed primarily for or used in agricultural operations and only incidentally operated or moved on a highway.
3. A road roller or road machinery, including a power sweeper, that is temporarily operating or moved on the highway.
4. An owner permitted to operate a vehicle under special provisions relating to lienholders, manufacturers, dealers and nonresidents.
5. Motorized or nonmotorized equipment designed primarily for and used in mining operations and only incidentally operated or moved on a highway.
6. A motor vehicle that is being towed by a tow truck that has been registered and for which a permit has been obtained pursuant to section 28-1108.
7. A golf cart used in the operation of a golf course or only incidentally operated or moved on a highway.
8. Wheeled equipment. For the purposes of this paragraph, "wheeled equipment" means:
(a) A compressor.
(b) A forklift.
(c) A portable cement mixer.
(d) A single axle tow dolly as defined in section 28-1095.
(e) A tar pot.
(f) A water trailer used for watering livestock or for agricultural or domestic purposes.
(g) A welder.
(h) Any other similar item designed and used primarily for construction or building trade purposes.
9. An all-terrain vehicle or an off-road recreational motor vehicle operating on a dirt road that is located in an unincorporated area of this state. For the purposes of this paragraph, "dirt road" means an unpaved or ungraveled road that is not maintained by this state or a city, town or county of this state.
10. A person operating an off-highway vehicle who is participating in an off-highway vehicle special event as defined in section 28-1171.
E. A person who owns or operates a trailer that is exempt from registration pursuant to subsection D, paragraph 2 of this section shall notify the county assessor of the exemption, and the assessor shall assess the trailer.
F. A person who violates subsection E of this section is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.
Cancellation of registration for violations...


28-2163. Cancellation of registration
A. The department shall cancel, suspend, revoke or deny the registration of a vehicle that it determines is unsafe or unfit to be operated or that is not equipped as required by law and shall retrieve license plates and registration cards for these vehicles.
B. The department shall cancel the registration of a vehicle if the person to whom the registration card or license plates have been issued makes or permits to be made an unlawful use of the vehicle or permits the use of the vehicle by a person not entitled to the use.

Non resident daily commuter...

28-2291. Definition of nonresident daily commuter
In this article, unless the context otherwise requires, "nonresident daily commuter" means a person who is a resident of a contiguous state, who enters and leaves this state on a daily basis for the purpose of employment and whose motor vehicle is principally garaged in the contiguous state.

The AZ Department of Environmental Quality, under ARS Title 18 covers emissions inspections on any motor vehicle operated on a public highway unless exempted by statute. Emissions inspections are required in metro Phoenix and Tucson.

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If your car doesn't pass in Ohio and you can prove you spent $300 in repairs you get an exemption. Our law has nothing to dop with the enviorment. It's just to put $$$ in politicians pockets.
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sorry to hear about your headache...i'm glad my state does not have emissions
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Originally Posted by sailohio
If your car doesn't pass in Ohio and you can prove you spent $300 in repairs you get an exemption. Our law has nothing to dop with the enviorment. It's just to put $$$ in politicians pockets.
Perhaps you can spend the additional $300 on a tune for the new mods you just happened to put on. That would be sweet.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 04:16 PM
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I know In Northern AZ(yavapai county) you don't have to do emissions at all! phoenix area you do though.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 06:01 PM
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Best check with an insurance agent. They may have some surprises for you if you are living in CA, have a CA license and register out of state.
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