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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:23 PM
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What would you guys suggest..

Not a daily driver, just a Vert with 18,500 miles I drive around on pretty days with the top down.

Just wanting to start the Mod Process!!

Next will be an exhaust.... sometime in the future..
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:28 PM
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Vararam with the Z06 screens
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:30 PM
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Blackwing... Corsa Pace Car Exhaust.
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:33 PM
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:34 PM
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Vararam with the screens. Its probably going to be my next mod
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:36 PM
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I use the blackwing but I hear the Varam gets better gains but minimal.
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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blackwing will get you little to nothing over z06 airbox ($35) w/ stock paper filter. At least it didn't really change my 1/4 times.

Now running Callaway Honker FWIW
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:39 PM
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:47 PM
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Blackwing... Corsa Pace Car Exhaust.
Same here!
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 03:54 PM
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I have tried the "modified" stock air box, ZO-6 air box, Breathless Vortex, Blackwing, ProAuto Tech power pack and these were all the same result...none I recently installed a Vararam and it not only lived up to it's hype, it delivered the best of all points. The car ran almost .2 faster at the track shortly after install, and the fit was excellent. I also have the advantage of putting the car back to stock without the purchase of the "shroud" that would be cut for the Breathless or others like it. I drive my car in all weather (including snow) and with 93,000 miles on it have never had an issue with any of the "bottom" feeders or front feed units (like the Vararam is) as long as you don't go thru standing deep water. As a side note, some of my buddies and I had surge problems with the Blackwing at idle. The Vararam has my vote
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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Well, I have had the Modified ZO6 box, the VORTEX Rammer, the BLACKWING and now the HALLTECH (hole in the shroud for the BLACKWING and HALLTECH. I will say that with the hole in the shroud it does help out alot for the BLACKWING, but I think if I had it to do all over I would have went to the VARARAM, just from the testimonies here. My only concern is when a large truck or car hits that standing water on the road and it shoots into my opening next to the FOGLIGHT, what happens when it goes into the VARARAM?
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mph1972
Well, I have had the Modified ZO6 box, the VORTEX Rammer, the BLACKWING and now the HALLTECH (hole in the shroud for the BLACKWING and HALLTECH. I will say that with the hole in the shroud it does help out alot for the BLACKWING, but I think if I had it to do all over I would have went to the VARARAM, just from the testimonies here. My only concern is when a large truck or car hits that standing water on the road and it shoots into my opening next to the FOGLIGHT, what happens when it goes into the VARARAM?
It get's caught into the filter, turns into a fine mist get's sucked into the engine lowering intake air temperature and burning out. It takes quite a bit of water to cause hydro lock and it is usually from having the intake hole under water. To demonstrate this stick a hose under water and suck hard. Mouth full of water. Now put it on the surface of the water so air and water can be sucked. HUGE difference in the amount of water that can get through.

Vararam, and although I don't drive in the rain, I wouldn't be even concerned about it.
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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Problem with our answers is most of us will only buy one or the other (and like the one we got for ourselves). I'd be surprised to find too many here who've owned both and done side-by-side dyno testing on identical configurations.

The post above about "not much change at the track" when going to Blackwing might be the best comparison but then, how consistant and experienced is the writer? Were the atomospherics the same? Was the testing done at the same track, etc. Lots of uncontrolable variables to consider along with that statement.

From what I've read here, it seems the V-ram is more difficult to install (more expensive too I think) than the BW but might add more HP than the BW.

For as little as you drive and the use you put to the car I'd think the BW would be a better choice.

The only way you are going to know for sure is to dyno the car before installation then after. Then change the exhaust and dyno it again.

Remember, you only use your engine's maximum HP when you are turning nearly its maximum RPMs (like 6k or so). If you don't ever get over 3-5k, you won't notice any difference IMO.

Oh yeah, I put in a BW, a velocity stack and a Z06 catback . I probably picked up a few HP but not enough to rave about here.

After you're done w/air cleaner and exhaust and you want best bang for your buck HP-wise (and mileage-wise), I recommend that you buy a set of Nology plug wires and plugs.

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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rickko
Problem with our answers is most of us will only buy one or the other (and like the one we got for ourselves). I'd be surprised to find too many here who've owned both and done side-by-side dyno testing on identical configurations.

The post above about "not much change at the track" when going to Blackwing might be the best comparison but then, how consistant and experienced is the writer? Were the atomospherics the same? Was the testing done at the same track, etc. Lots of uncontrolable variables to consider along with that statement.

From what I've read here, it seems the V-ram is more difficult to install (more expensive too I think) than the BW but might add more HP than the BW.

For as little as you drive and the use you put to the car I'd think the BW would be a better choice.

The only way you are going to know for sure is to dyno the car before installation then after. Then change the exhaust and dyno it again.

Remember, you only use your engine's maximum HP when you are turning nearly its maximum RPMs (like 6k or so). If you don't ever get over 3-5k, you won't notice any difference IMO.

Oh yeah, I put in a BW, a velocity stack and a Z06 catback . I probably picked up a few HP but not enough to rave about here.

After you're done w/air cleaner and exhaust and you want best bang for your buck HP-wise (and mileage-wise), I recommend that you buy a set of Nology plug wires and plugs.

..rickko..
The vararam does a better job while driving not just on the dyno. It does the best job of making sure the intake temperature is as low as possible.

I have NEVER heard of a vararam being installed properly and not reducing the 1/4 mile times for the driver as well as posting good dyno numbers. Also that dyno test should be done side by side when the engine bay temps reach maximum levels. Cutting your housing and then buying a new one later on when you de-mod the car defeats any cost saving initially.

VARARAM has a guarantee. If your car's ET doesn't drop significantly, ( I believe 5 tenths in the 1/4) They will buy the intake back. Does the BW offer that guarantee from the manufacturer?

The new VR-B2 unit is the third generation of our record setting VR-B2 system. This ram air system is over 110% efficient which allows the system to build manifold pressure at very low road speeds. This will improve acceleration which will lead decreased zero to 60 times as tested by Vette magazine. Our system will decrease you 1/4 mile times by 3/10ths - 1/2 second, Guaranteed!! or we will buy it back!

This is a company standing behind their product! Vararam.com also has a side by side comparison on their website against other manufacturers, check it out.

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From what I've read here, it seems the V-ram is more difficult to install (more expensive too I think) than the BW but might add more HP than the BW.
It's actually not difficult at all. Just time consuming. There are some great write ups on the board to assist in the install.
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 04:37 PM
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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Being that I am a proud owner of the VARARAM I'd suggest that you get the best one of the two!

VARARAM :lo: really I am very pleased with it and you always know you have that fresh REAL "COLD AIR" system on your Vette

Thanks,Matt
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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I would get the Vararam and Z06 screens.
Cajundude has a great sale running right now for the Vararam. Check it out.
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