Cool!

Be careful!

 

Ranger one question on the wheel hop I got. If I wheel hoped bad when launching at 2k rpms while dumping the clutch what approach should I take on the next run? More rpms? Letting the clutch out a little slower? My tire pressure was at about 22lbs. Also that was my first run with a new clutch. I had about 50 runs prior.
Thanks Brian

 

Are you drag racing with 18 inch wheels? There's your problem. You can try to drive around it or you can get appropriate equipment for the job. 15s!

 

15"s will not fit over the brakes. I slip the clutch from about 3000. I have never just dumped it.

 

Ok 16s then. Thanks for the info.

 

Which clutch did you choose Brian? And which tires?

When wheel hop occurs on launch it is generally at the ragged-edge of traction when the driver gets too aggressive with the throttle. That is the throttle squeeze it wrong. Can also come when the clutch release is too abrupt.

If those are stock tires, I'd suggest 27-28 psi hot, adjusted before each pass and putting some heat to them. Then raise the launch rpm to xxxx...and adjust the clutch release.... [need to know the clutch and tires].

I had 150 passes in a 2001 Z06 and 350 in a 2002 Z06 and never had wheel hop. So avoiding it is quite easily done by technique adjustment. No hardware change to the car is required.

Ranger

 

But Ranger, won't technique adjustment here only make you slower than if you just had the right parts for the job? Or are we ok with that? I mean, slower throttle squeeze or a slower clutch release can only mean slower 60fts. With the right parts and nice healthy clutch dump and a floored throttle will be much better..... But we aren't serious about this, right?

I think that must be our point of contention. I don't like to drive around a car's weak points. I like to correct them and go faster. To each their own.

 

Man... you dont know when to quit do you????

Running times on different types of tires is fine, getting a killer time on street tires is a skill and a challenge which some of us like..... Anyone can bolt on a set of slicks and let the clutch fly (no offense to the racers who use them, not saying there is any lack of skill in driving a car on slicks... it just takes some guess work out of the equation). I have had numerous cars, I have had auto trans cars with big stalls and slicks but I prefer a bit more of a challenge and like to run my car on stock tires or drag radials since it poses more of a challenge and keeps it fun for me. Just because you have blinders on and think there is only one way to do things (your way) dont come here and chime in with useless crap and second guessing every post that doesnt offer your same advise. If you havent noticed most people here run thier cars on street tires or drag radials so good advice given from people who actually run thier cars with them is invited regardless of what you think. Running a car fast on a street tire is obviously a skill you dont possess so you have to knock everybody else that does possess that skill right???

 

Ohh Man, didn't you know you can't challange Ranger in these boards?

 

Different strokes for different folks is all I'm saying. Glad to see you agree. Nice to have made a new friend on the board (even if you do have a funny way of showing it).

Besides, drag racing with street tires is about as "fun" as eating soup with a fork. Enjoy yourself!

 

lol. what a joke! I'm sure Ranger is a great guy but there is more than one way to accomplish the same goals. Lots of sheep here.

 

Its obvious that you have absolutely no finess behind the wheel or know how to sqeeze every last drop of potential out of something in stock form, your one of these hold it at the limiter and dump it kind of guys. Good for you, like you said.... "different stokes for different folks" but like I said: 9 out of 10 here are on a street tire or drag radial and are looking for advice on how to get the most out of that set up. Every time someone posts about getting the most out of thier set up you seem to chime in with some kind of "throw some 15's on that thing with a slick....great advice since you cant just slap a 15" wheel on a Z06 but how would you know that..... you dont know much if anything about the car itself do you, hell you have never even had your Z06 down the track so until you do I would suggest keeping you opinions and advice out of these threads before someone takes your advice and hurts themselves or wrecks thier car.

Your friend

Mike

 

No Mike, I have had my 2001 down the track on Friday and went 12.4 in 88 degree, 80% humidity at 114 MPH on ****ty street tires the guy before me put on. I will go again when the weather doesn't suck so bad. I read through the thread and there are guys on the list that ran in cool weather plus had a tailwind, lol! If only I could be so lucky.

Driving knowledge and knowledge about a specific model of car are very different. Many times I am faster the first time in a car than the rest. My friend (not you, another one) had an 03 Cobra with street tires and could not do better than a 13.1. I got in and ran a 12.45 my first time in it and that was with an 800 lb clutch.

The fact is I know I can drive and I make no reservation about it. I also openly admit that I do not know every tidbit about the Corvette yet. I will as time goes on. But maybe it should be a clue to you that if drag parts don't fit, maybe it's a car made for turning.....

And, no, I'm not a hold it to the limiter kind of guy. You might be surprised, but those types annoy me, too. I'm just a little more realistic than you and you are just a typical Corvette owner to me like most on this board. I got the car because I enjoy having fun with different cars. You got it because.......? Why? Pick a cliche.

Don't make assumptions about me, Mike. Just because I see things differently doesn't mean I am wrong. Take a muscle relaxer or maybe something to lower the blood pressure. You'll be ok. The whole world will be ok.

Oh and regarding my advice, it is based in the idea that I think that a person should learn to drive. I do not think a person should learn to drive one car. I think that it would be comical to put Ranger, you, me, and whoever else in 30 different types of cars from different types of racing and theory and see who can drive. So Ranger has mastered the Corvette M6/M12 clutch release on street tires. So what? That's a pretty specific category, lol. I can drive anything. I might give up a tenth or two on street tires in a Vette but I will give that up for abilities elsewhere.

I have been racing since I was 8 years old. Karts, SCCA, NHRA, IHRA, etc etc. Don't criticize me. I come from a very different world than you, buddy. Real racing. I'm proud of what I have accomplished. What have you accomplished that will give you any credibility with me regarding racing a car? Post count and membership length don't count, sorry.

 

Well Im glad to see you finally got that thing down the track... 12.4 is not bad but its certainly not fast enough to be acting like a know it all. Im glad you have run better in some of your "other" friends cars then they have, maybe your "other" friends cant drive worth a lick. As far as the corvette/Z06 being made for turning Im not gonna argue with you a bit about that..... it turns with the best of them (even exotics that cost 2-5 times what it does) but it also puts down some stellar 1/4 mile times and that is what makes this car great.... you can go to the drag strip on "street tires" run a fantastic 1/4 mile time and then go straight over to your favorite road coars and lay down some good lap times although I cant imagine the "rev limiter and dump it on slicks method" will get you around the road coarse very quickly

Sincerely (your friend)

Mike

 

Agreed.

PS. I was disappointed with my 12.4 I realize there is more there. Bad sixty foots and bad weather are my excuse. I only ran it twice and it was the first time to even give the car full throttle since I bought it so.....

 

No sheep here. Just tired of you two and your attacks. You two guys take the cake. No one here claims John (Ranger) is a god or the all corvette guru on everything. But he beats you both hands down on hours and seat time in this platform no matter how much you protest and no matter how many years you start from today you will not egual this accomplishment.

Also nobody says you have to take his advice, but geez for the love of corvettes quit trying to **** in his cornflakes on every post you guys make. It's getting old. By the way you both need to learn the cars you have a lot better before you call people out on them.

Also guess what there is more to Z ownership then the dragstrip. ! Get a grip will ya! Thanks, Don

 

+1

 

I take it your not his sheep, just his wax on wax off guy.. Maryland? no wonder... .

I have nothing against him, I stated that a million times already. I just didn't think this was a Napoleon and his Militants forum.

 

I think he's arguing different strokes for different folks, I don't think it's a direct contest of what Ranger says. He's only saying that what works for him isn't what works for everyone, which is true- every driver has a different style and it's much safer (once one has developed a style) to stick with what you know than to change all the variables at once just because someone says it's better.


Due to the lack of weight transfer of the 50/50 platform, I'd say that Zs aren't meant to be strictly a drag car, it takes a ton of work to make them a great drag car. I autoX and drag mine- that's part of the fun of it, you can cruise in it one day and race it the next, but it isn't the be-all-end-all drag set-up as it is. For drivers that are just getting to the drag strip, reading Ranger's posts and going from there is a fabulous starting point- the guy has gone out of his way to write up many of the techniques that he's tried and has found success in, and I know I've learned quite a few things from reading them. For more experienced drivers, they might have their own finnesse of tried and true practices and are doing their own technique. There are no guarantees when racing the cars, and frankly- sh*t happens sometimes, but in the end no matter who the driver is or what the car, it is always on the driver if anything happens, not the person who wrote the suggested techniques, so it's at the driver's discretion.

 

Nicely said. Thanks!