I know this really belongs in the tech section thread but how many without the issue anymore really looks at that thread? I posted this there also.

Many of you warned and then laughed at me for not previously installing the CLB after I had serious issues (stuck at work) last week.


I finally installed the CLB on my 98 M6. No related recalls were/have been done to it. After CLB install (, I had the damn fuel shutoff when I started out of the garage. Had the "pull key wait 10 sec" in the DIC. Left until I could work on it the next day. Put everything back to normal and started over with everything cleared. Installed the CLB again, even pulled BCM fuse 23 to clear afterward. Drove the car a few blocks then started the engine several times without errors or issues. This AM, I get in it and "pull key wait 10 sec" in DIC. Did so and it cleared the DIC. I do not know if it would have shut the fuel off above 2 MPH since I pulled the key instead of trying it. WTF, Is this something with the year model? Am I going to have to clear the DIC everytime? Any solutions/experience with the early C5 and this issue? I guess I'm half way there, the "service column lock" no longer pops up


Update:
I now know it's REAL. Just got it again (pull key and wait 10 sec) and I went ahead and pulled the car out. As soon as i hit 2 mph the fuel shutoof stalling the car. Had to pull key and wait 10 sec. I have stopped two times since then and did not get it when starting the car again?????????? Time sitting related? Before doing the CLB I checked my yellow top charge (100%) so It's not battery related.

 

Clean the resistor on your key with some alcohol. Most "pull key wait 10 second" issues are due to inconsistent readings from the resistor at startup.

 

I'll give it a shot

 

There may be some synchronization issues with the relay on 97 and 98 models. I think the people that sell the CLB kits even have a disclaimer on their website.
One forum member found that the GM kit actually worked better than the aftermarket kits. Read this.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...ht=column+lock

Also, you might contact CScokd, he has instructions on how to modify the wiring at the BCM to eliminate synchronization problems with the aftermarket relays.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1692584

mailto:cscokd@gmail.com
Good luck!

This is from the ThunderRacing website-

"For 1997 and 1998 cars, there is a possibility you will randomly see a message "Pull key and wait 10 seconds" with a Column Lock Simulator. Thus far, 2% of my customers have had it, and other manufacturers have had the same issue with 1997 and 1998 model cars. If you have a 1997 or 1998 model, and you understand this, you can order below. You will have the option of a refund if the simulator does not work in your vehicle."

 

Thanks, I'll look at these. I KNOW there were issues 2 years ago with the 98 and CLB. COH told me then that they can take my money but it will not fix my problem. This time, they told me it WILL take care of my problem. I assumed they had made some changes in the CLB circuit to correct early model isssues. It looks as if that's WRONG...

 

Many people mistakenly associate the C5 security features with the
column lock issue. Though they have the same results, the pull key and wait message is actually the security.

Clean the key..It has a resistor on the key with alchohol.
Try the second key as well.

Others have had the ignition switch go south on them.

...George

 

If it is security related, then does the PCM also cut off the fuel, or does the car just not start?? The fact that the car starts but then the fuel is cut may be an indication that it is CLB related.

Also, it seems that this problem started when the CLB was installed. (no security problems before, correct?)
One way to verify the problem source would be to remove the CLB, reconnect the actuator, and see if you still get a pull key error.

If the problem is traced to the relay, there is always the possibility that the part is bad. If it is electronic, it can fail just like the GM relays fail.

 

I would be calling COA and asking them what they changed to correct the problem on the 97-98 models. I don't think there is any circuitry, just a relay. Let us know what they say...

 

Anything is possible.......... I had these issues before and then did not have them for almost two years. The only thing that changed was I installed a Yellow top battery. Therefore, I figured it was a voltage/current sensing issue causing them back then. Now may be a different issue Did I tell you that I love my C5 though

 

Just got off the phone with them. According to parts/sales person, they have installed many many in the shop and sold many with no current/recent reported issues He also said they have them made and there have been no changes to the relay module requested by them to the manufacturer. He did mention that he beleives some have damaged their key by having the key in the ignition and the battey connected when plugging the relay into the harness.???

 

If it is pass key related, the system “should” store a DTC B2722 in the BCM memory, send a message to IPC and the PCM disables the fuel and disables sampling of the pass-key for 3 minutes. Theoretically, the engine would crank but with no fuel supplied. The condition is set for 3 minutes before it would attempt to read the key resistance again. With that said, I too seem to recall someone having a pass-key problem and it not following the above rules.

 

I dont have the CLB but did have the most receint recall done earlier this year and now have the same issue you have. The column's not locked but the message is there and cant drive anywhere.

 

This sucks........ I used my spare key today so that is NOT the problem. I have found that I get it (pull key wait 10 sec) about everytime now. I don't start the car, just turn on to power and get it. I pull the key for 2 or 3 sec put back in and it's gone

 

Yup def sucks! I cant get it to clear at all....

 

This column lock issue is really getting out of hand lately. There have been several posts regarding this in the past few weeks. Do a search and read them!!!. The first 2 issues of the recall removed the locking device in the column, but did not correct the fuel shut off feature!!!. Many of the after market kits don't address the fuel issue either. My neighbor just had the same problem . The car shut off when reaching 2 MPH. The 1st 2 portions of the recall had been taken of previously, His column didn't lock, but the fuel shut off. He got the pull key and wait....... and also "column lock" on the DIC. He had the car flatbedded to the local dealer for repairs. They told him $450.00 for repairs!!!. He is somewhat disabled and doesn't speak very well so I did the calling to the dealer for him. I explained to the service manager that PRODUCT SAFETY RECALL .GM-P06-028-04006C needs to done. This is an unpublicized safety recall. There is a phone # in this bullitin that can be called by the service dept and it explains that this is a SAFETY RECALL and will by covered by GM regardless of mileage, time, or # of owners. The dealer didn't believe me.I said just call the #!!!. They called me back about 1/2 hour later..They will fix my neighbor's vette @ NO CHARGE.per GM. This "C" version of the recall elimiates the fuel shut off issue. The first 2 portions of the recall MUST also be done prior to the "C" portion. I believe that this latest version also instructs the dealer to destroy the previous 1 and 2 recall paperwork. From now on, they are to do the entire procedure, remove the locking devices and install the new kit that eliminates the fuel problem. Hope this helps.

 

Terry (TEXHAWKO) is the best on CLB probs. Stingr, do you have any codes? I'm wondering if this is an intermittent BCM or more like a din connection at the BCM as a guess. Codes?

 

Thanks for the info! I'll pass it to my local dealer asap. Ive read and read up on this issue hopefully the above will fix it!

 

Let us know how it goes. Good luck.