Remove Key And Wait 10 Seconds.....
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Burning Brakes
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From: Hawaii
Remove Key And Wait 10 Seconds.....
It had to happen. 
The dreaded fuel cut-off occured at 10:30 this morning as I pulled out of the post office. (No steering wheel "lock"; thank you Lord!) After the 10 second wait the car ran without further problems. I have an appointment with the dealer early tomorrow morning.
I discovered that in July '05 the previous owner had the K harness installed under a "recall".
When I ordered the "fix" from Corvettes of Houston, Steve told me to have the problem fixed by the dealer without having any of the recall items installed. When I mentioned the "K' harness install he instructed me to "remove" (not just disconnect) the K harness and go to a big wide open place and toss the K harness as far as possible and walk away.
Nice guy and a touch of humor to boot.
I guess I have an upcoming project this weekend.... I am not looking forward to tearing the under dash apart and pulling and replacing the harness. I'm from the old school (carburator, points, and the like..) but what the hell.........
The dreaded fuel cut-off occured at 10:30 this morning as I pulled out of the post office. (No steering wheel "lock"; thank you Lord!) After the 10 second wait the car ran without further problems. I have an appointment with the dealer early tomorrow morning. I discovered that in July '05 the previous owner had the K harness installed under a "recall".
When I ordered the "fix" from Corvettes of Houston, Steve told me to have the problem fixed by the dealer without having any of the recall items installed. When I mentioned the "K' harness install he instructed me to "remove" (not just disconnect) the K harness and go to a big wide open place and toss the K harness as far as possible and walk away.
Nice guy and a touch of humor to boot.I guess I have an upcoming project this weekend.... I am not looking forward to tearing the under dash apart and pulling and replacing the harness. I'm from the old school (carburator, points, and the like..) but what the hell.........
Last edited by HawnHog; Dec 11, 2007 at 12:47 AM.
Instructor
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From: Delray Beach Fl.
I have had this message also. Maybe this has been beaten down on the forum but what does this actually mean and do I also need to take action? I have a six speed coupe if that makes any difference.
Drifting
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From: SoCal
Hmm, I had the same message show up this last weekend. I was in a caravan and we stopped for a moment. Went to start the car and got the "pull key wait 10 sec" message in the DIC. car started but as soon as i tried to move the car it died. It did this twice. Thought I was going to have it towed, but on the 3rd try it started and no message. Away I went.
Looking online and it was saying it was a VATS issue. No other messages came up. Since my security light from time to time stays on after I start the car but no ill affects, I thought that sounds about right. no "service column" anything messages came up with it. So i don't think the "wait 10 sec" message has anything to do with the column issue unless you get the "column" message as well. If i'm wrong here let me know. I don't want to get stuck with the column issue.
Looking online and it was saying it was a VATS issue. No other messages came up. Since my security light from time to time stays on after I start the car but no ill affects, I thought that sounds about right. no "service column" anything messages came up with it. So i don't think the "wait 10 sec" message has anything to do with the column issue unless you get the "column" message as well. If i'm wrong here let me know. I don't want to get stuck with the column issue.
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From: Home of the VOLS ! Knoxville, TN. Tennessee
St. Jude Donor '11-'12-'13, '15, '16-'17-'18-'19
try cleaning the contacts on your key chip . or replace the key all together . the car is not reading it well .
Drifting
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From: SoCal
Did an Ohms check on the pellet. It is reading 60 Ohms under the value. Probably a good idea just to get another key made. it is within the 10% area but the pellet contacts are pretty scratched up too.
HawnHog. Just as they say above. Try cleaning the contacts. Also do as I did and check the Ohms on the pellet.
Here are the values;
VATS key codes
To read the resistance of the key with a digital volt meter, set it on ohms mode and measure the resistance of the pellet on your key. The BCM is programmed for a specific resistance value. The BCM measures the voltage drop across the key pellet. If it is within +/-10%, then the car will start.
The 15 resistor codes are:
Key# Value (Ohms)
1 392
2 523
3 681
4 887
5 1130
6 1470
7 1870
8 2370
9 3010
10 3740
11 4750
12 6040
13 7500
14 9530
15 11800
Thanks.
Greg
HawnHog. Just as they say above. Try cleaning the contacts. Also do as I did and check the Ohms on the pellet.
Here are the values;
VATS key codes
To read the resistance of the key with a digital volt meter, set it on ohms mode and measure the resistance of the pellet on your key. The BCM is programmed for a specific resistance value. The BCM measures the voltage drop across the key pellet. If it is within +/-10%, then the car will start.
The 15 resistor codes are:
Key# Value (Ohms)
1 392
2 523
3 681
4 887
5 1130
6 1470
7 1870
8 2370
9 3010
10 3740
11 4750
12 6040
13 7500
14 9530
15 11800
Thanks.
Greg
Last edited by RedRiderZR1; Dec 11, 2007 at 03:09 PM.
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Drifting
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From: SoCal
Read the resistance on your key. It will be one of those values or close to it if you have no problems with the key. Good to read it now so you know. Once resistance goes bad and car wont "drive" then it can be anyones guess. Could be somewhat close to original value or way off. According to those values and the +/- 10% if your readings don't fall anywhere in that area of any of the values then you know something is off.
Instructor
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From: Bournemouth, England
It had to happen. The dreaded fuel cut-off occured at 10:30 this morning as I pulled out of the post office. (No steering wheel "lock"; thank you Lord!) After the 10 second wait the car ran without further problems. I have an appointment with the dealer early tomorrow morning.
I discovered that in July '05 the previous owner had the K harness installed under a "recall".
When I ordered the "fix" from Corvettes of Houston, Steve told me to have the problem fixed by the dealer without having any of the recall items installed. When I mentioned the "K' harness install he instructed me to "remove" (not just disconnect) the K harness and go to a big wide open place and toss the K harness as far as possible and walk away. Nice guy and a touch of humor to boot.
I guess I have an upcoming project this weekend.... I am not looking forward to tearing the under dash apart and pulling and replacing the harness. I'm from the old school (carburator, points, and the like..) but what the hell.........
The dreaded fuel cut-off occured at 10:30 this morning as I pulled out of the post office. (No steering wheel "lock"; thank you Lord!) After the 10 second wait the car ran without further problems. I have an appointment with the dealer early tomorrow morning. I discovered that in July '05 the previous owner had the K harness installed under a "recall".
When I ordered the "fix" from Corvettes of Houston, Steve told me to have the problem fixed by the dealer without having any of the recall items installed. When I mentioned the "K' harness install he instructed me to "remove" (not just disconnect) the K harness and go to a big wide open place and toss the K harness as far as possible and walk away.
Nice guy and a touch of humor to boot.I guess I have an upcoming project this weekend.... I am not looking forward to tearing the under dash apart and pulling and replacing the harness. I'm from the old school (carburator, points, and the like..) but what the hell.........
I had the same message on my way to Le Mans this year and you can imagine my relief when the message went away. This made me review what had been done to my C5 Z06. It had recall 04006 whilst it was in the US and I've just had recall 04006C done here in the UK which should be an end to my problems. I chose to put my faith in GM as should I have any further issues, I'm hoping they will take care of them.
The C5 is a truly great car and it's such a shame that it should have this problem.
Race Director
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From: Lake Mary Florida
Yep 0400C is the last revision.
Phase one, install K harness, phase two reprogram computer, phase three removing steering wheel and remove/replace plate with one that has no holes, reassembly, then remove the computer interface connector and re-pin two connectors. It's not a pretty sight.
Here's a pdf of the recall:
Recall Notice
Or you could go with a column lock bypass, the servo must be working to extract the pins then power is removed from it and a by-pass module is installed.
There is a good illustrated installation procedure at LS1.com.
Phase one, install K harness, phase two reprogram computer, phase three removing steering wheel and remove/replace plate with one that has no holes, reassembly, then remove the computer interface connector and re-pin two connectors. It's not a pretty sight.
Here's a pdf of the recall:
Recall Notice
Or you could go with a column lock bypass, the servo must be working to extract the pins then power is removed from it and a by-pass module is installed.
There is a good illustrated installation procedure at LS1.com.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Hawaii
Did an Ohms check on the pellet. It is reading 60 Ohms under the value. Probably a good idea just to get another key made. it is within the 10% area but the pellet contacts are pretty scratched up too.
HawnHog. Just as they say above. Try cleaning the contacts. Also do as I did and check the Ohms on the pellet.
Here are the values;
VATS key codes
To read the resistance of the key with a digital volt meter, set it on ohms mode and measure the resistance of the pellet on your key. The BCM is programmed for a specific resistance value. The BCM measures the voltage drop across the key pellet. If it is within +/-10%, then the car will start.
The 15 resistor codes are:
Key# Value (Ohms)
1 392
2 523
3 681
4 887
5 1130
6 1470
7 1870
8 2370
9 3010
10 3740
11 4750
12 6040
13 7500
14 9530
15 11800
Thanks.
Greg
HawnHog. Just as they say above. Try cleaning the contacts. Also do as I did and check the Ohms on the pellet.
Here are the values;
VATS key codes
To read the resistance of the key with a digital volt meter, set it on ohms mode and measure the resistance of the pellet on your key. The BCM is programmed for a specific resistance value. The BCM measures the voltage drop across the key pellet. If it is within +/-10%, then the car will start.
The 15 resistor codes are:
Key# Value (Ohms)
1 392
2 523
3 681
4 887
5 1130
6 1470
7 1870
8 2370
9 3010
10 3740
11 4750
12 6040
13 7500
14 9530
15 11800
Thanks.
Greg
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Burning Brakes
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,152
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From: Hawaii
Without wishing to start another enormously long Column Lock Thread, if your Recall was in 2005, then surely that would have been Recall 04006 which was issued in February 2004. No mention of a K harness in that recall (was the K harness the wiring which was installed in the earlier recalls??).
I had the same message on my way to Le Mans this year and you can imagine my relief when the message went away. This made me review what had been done to my C5 Z06. It had recall 04006 whilst it was in the US and I've just had recall 04006C done here in the UK which should be an end to my problems. I chose to put my faith in GM as should I have any further issues, I'm hoping they will take care of them.
The C5 is a truly great car and it's such a shame that it should have this problem.
I had the same message on my way to Le Mans this year and you can imagine my relief when the message went away. This made me review what had been done to my C5 Z06. It had recall 04006 whilst it was in the US and I've just had recall 04006C done here in the UK which should be an end to my problems. I chose to put my faith in GM as should I have any further issues, I'm hoping they will take care of them.
The C5 is a truly great car and it's such a shame that it should have this problem.
Yeap, it was R O number 4006 (Harness Kit - Automatics Only) June od '05. Done by Friendly Chevrolet in Dallas Texas.
If you recall from a previous post, I found out that: 1) GM admits they have a problem, 2) there are 3 different methods they have used to "try" to correct the problem and all have not been all that sucessful, 3) after 2/29/08 you are on your own. GM has abandoned us.
WHY doesn't GM buy the kit from Corvettes of Houston and install it free for us and be done with the problem? Can you imagine the lawsuit that is just waiting to happen the day when the vehicle locks up on a curvy road or a busy freeway. Major accident or death and the lawyers will be all over the injured party to assist in a suit against GM. With all the evidence we have I can guarentee an open an shut case involving BIG money.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Hawaii
The latest scoop:
I took the car to my local GM dealer this morning (I will not mention their name; as you read on you will see why).
I checked for codes before going and there were none. The service writer whom I know rather well, informed me that if they do a check it is going to cost me money just to tell me what I already suspect. A temporary qlitch in the system. He said if it reacurs to bring it back. But if it was a one time thing, sit it out (till the beginning of Feb.). When I mentioned that the k harness was installed in '05 and I was going to remove it and install the column lock by-pass kit he offered me a very generous solution. (Now this is on the "QT".) He is going to order another harness and when it comes in he will have a "trusted" tech (whom I personally know and trust) remove the harness under the pretense that it is defective and replace it with the column by-pass kit from C of H. with no cost to me. SWEET!!!
Guess I'll owe them a nice dinner.
I checked for codes before going and there were none. The service writer whom I know rather well, informed me that if they do a check it is going to cost me money just to tell me what I already suspect. A temporary qlitch in the system. He said if it reacurs to bring it back. But if it was a one time thing, sit it out (till the beginning of Feb.). When I mentioned that the k harness was installed in '05 and I was going to remove it and install the column lock by-pass kit he offered me a very generous solution. (Now this is on the "QT".) He is going to order another harness and when it comes in he will have a "trusted" tech (whom I personally know and trust) remove the harness under the pretense that it is defective and replace it with the column by-pass kit from C of H. with no cost to me. SWEET!!!
Guess I'll owe them a nice dinner.
Instructor
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From: Bournemouth, England
However, can someone PLEASE, PLEASE tell me if the date of 2/29/08 is really the end of the matter. Surely a safety product recall cannot expire? This date is actually contained in Special Policy #05081 dated Feb 8, 2006 and is not mentioned in recall #04006C of the same date. In that Special Policy it says ".......this Special Policy covers the condition described above until February 29, 2008 regardless of ownership. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer......"
I asked Corvette UK to clarify the date two weeks ago. I have chased them twice and they are yet to respond!!
Many thanks for any guidance anyone can give me and the guys over here.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Hawaii
Being in the UK, there are a number of C5 owners here who sometimes feel a bit remote from the experts in the US when our cars develop a fault. I have spent a lot of time trying to research the various recalls and I'm pleased that the very succinct summary by Jet-jock confirms my understanding.
However, can someone PLEASE, PLEASE tell me if the date of 2/29/08 is really the end of the matter. Surely a safety product recall cannot expire? This date is actually contained in Special Policy #05081 dated Feb 8, 2006 and is not mentioned in recall #04006C of the same date. In that Special Policy it says ".......this Special Policy covers the condition described above until February 29, 2008 regardless of ownership. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer......"
I asked Corvette UK to clarify the date two weeks ago. I have chased them twice and they are yet to respond!!
Many thanks for any guidance anyone can give me and the guys over here.
However, can someone PLEASE, PLEASE tell me if the date of 2/29/08 is really the end of the matter. Surely a safety product recall cannot expire? This date is actually contained in Special Policy #05081 dated Feb 8, 2006 and is not mentioned in recall #04006C of the same date. In that Special Policy it says ".......this Special Policy covers the condition described above until February 29, 2008 regardless of ownership. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer......"
I asked Corvette UK to clarify the date two weeks ago. I have chased them twice and they are yet to respond!!
Many thanks for any guidance anyone can give me and the guys over here.
I can assure you (unless GM wakes up and smells the potential for a major or class action lawsuit) that the free fix expires Feb. 29 '08. I have it in writing from them and also confirmed by the west coast/pacific regional rep that this is so. The real pisser is that they will NOT install any of the fixes after that date unless you experience a problem NOW and the car throws a code to that effect.
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13
I took the car to my local GM dealer this morning (I will not mention their name; as you read on you will see why).
I checked for codes before going and there were none. The service writer whom I know rather well, informed me that if they do a check it is going to cost me money just to tell me what I already suspect. A temporary qlitch in the system. He said if it reacurs to bring it back. But if it was a one time thing, sit it out (till the beginning of Feb.). When I mentioned that the k harness was installed in '05 and I was going to remove it and install the column lock by-pass kit he offered me a very generous solution. (Now this is on the "QT".) He is going to order another harness and when it comes in he will have a "trusted" tech (whom I personally know and trust) remove the harness under the pretense that it is defective and replace it with the column by-pass kit from C of H. with no cost to me. SWEET!!!
Guess I'll owe them a nice dinner.
I checked for codes before going and there were none. The service writer whom I know rather well, informed me that if they do a check it is going to cost me money just to tell me what I already suspect. A temporary qlitch in the system. He said if it reacurs to bring it back. But if it was a one time thing, sit it out (till the beginning of Feb.). When I mentioned that the k harness was installed in '05 and I was going to remove it and install the column lock by-pass kit he offered me a very generous solution. (Now this is on the "QT".) He is going to order another harness and when it comes in he will have a "trusted" tech (whom I personally know and trust) remove the harness under the pretense that it is defective and replace it with the column by-pass kit from C of H. with no cost to me. SWEET!!!
Guess I'll owe them a nice dinner.
I take the service guys at my dealership Pizzas a couple times a year and enjoy the same sort of relationship you do. Great to be on a personal basis with them........Despite all the crummy dealer stories, they're the only guys I trust to work on my car. Mutual respect goes a loooong way
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Burning Brakes
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From: Hawaii
I take the service guys at my dealership Pizzas a couple times a year and enjoy the same sort of relationship you do. Great to be on a personal basis with them........Despite all the crummy dealer stories, they're the only guys I trust to work on my car. Mutual respect goes a loooong way
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