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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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I've heard many "tire experts" claim that you must re-torque your lug nuts after about 50 miles following installation. For alloy wheels is that fact or myth?
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by c3andc5
I've heard many "tire experts" claim that you must re-torque your lug nuts after about 50 miles following installation. For alloy wheels is that fact or myth?
Especially for alloy wheels

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I was also told to check lug nuts after a few miles. Make sure you use a torque wrench cause you can warp your rotors if they aren't tighten properly.
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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you should make it habit to check your lugs. At the track we check them between each session just to make sure.

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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 10:51 AM
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you should make it habit to check your lugs. At the track we check them between each session just to make sure.

Don't do that... in between sessions the metal is hot and the lugs/studs are expanded. Torqing them can result in that state can overdo it and snap a stud. You want to make sure it's completely cool like during lunch hour.

Many shops and people overtorque their lugs... 100 ft/lbs means 100 ft/lbs... not "click" then a little more for good measure.
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 10:51 AM
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Fact.

On a car I had prior to the Vette, the day after I had new tires mounted, all the lug nuts loosened up on the left front wheel. I thought the tire store idiot must have forgotten to tighten that one. I retorqued them on the side of the road and went on my way.

2 days later, the same wheel came loose again.
Well, this time I knew it wasn't anyone's fault. I again tightened it, this time with a drop of med. strength loctite on each lug...and it was never a problem again.

But moral of the story is yes, aluminum has a different expansion rate than of the steel hub it's fastened to, so some heat/cool cycles can cause things to loosen. It's easy enough to check the torque a couple days later.

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Originally Posted by Cobra4B
Don't do that... in between sessions the metal is hot and the lugs/studs are expanded. Torqing them can result in that state can overdo it and snap a stud. You want to make sure it's completely cool like during lunch hour.

Many shops and people overtorque their lugs... 100 ft/lbs means 100 ft/lbs... not "click" then a little more for good measure.
I should have clarified more when I do it. I do it right before I go on the track, but that is usually an hour or so between sessions. If I at an advance day then I do it after lunch.

And I use 100ft lbs. though I heard that some racers like 95 ft lbs. I am not sure if I could even tell the difference.

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Originally Posted by c3andc5
I've heard many "tire experts" claim that you must re-torque your lug nuts after about 50 miles following installation. For alloy wheels is that fact or myth?
I do it and I'm a mechanic. My tire man suggests it. He asks customers to return for a re-torquing.
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whenver we have had tires changed or rotated at Discount tire on wheels over 16 inches they include a note... bring your vehicle back after 50 miles so that we can re-torque your wheel lug nuts...
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It's good practice and if you buy your tires at discounttire they do it for free.
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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I've always done it when swapping/installing new wheels, BUT, if you were to ask if they've ever NEEDED re-torquing (is that a word??) I'd have to say no.
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Dont forget to remove those little surraided washers used to hold the rotors on during the assembly process.
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FACT, I always do this and some are "loose" or under torque.

Another thing that bothers me, some people put oil or grease on their lugs or lug nuts. Don't EVER do this UNLESS YOU ENJOY CHASING YOUR WHEELS/TIRES DOWN THE HIGHWAY WHEN THEY COME OFF THE CAR ! Use a wire brush to clean off any rust or dirt.
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Fact. ALWAYS use a torque wrench on lug nuts when wheels are at ambiant temperature -- and any other critical bolts for that matter -- including your oil and transmission drain lugs.
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I usually just install the lug nuts with the car off the ground, then when it's on the ground take a few cranks on the nut w/ a breaker bar. I can't imagine I put mine in anymore than 50-60ft-lbs. Never re-torqued and never had a problem.

I know, bad habbit I learned from my dad, but hey, neither of us have ever had a wheel fly off, so it can't be that bad (hopefully)!
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 06:52 PM
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Does it not matter that the tires are on the ground during torquing? Seems to me like that would make a difference with the weight of the car on them?
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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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I must have the touch,I torque them by hand or feel.I have done countless wheels never had a problem.
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Originally Posted by EFNFAST
I usually just install the lug nuts with the car off the ground, then when it's on the ground take a few cranks on the nut w/ a breaker bar. I can't imagine I put mine in anymore than 50-60ft-lbs. Never re-torqued and never had a problem.

I know, bad habbit I learned from my dad, but hey, neither of us have ever had a wheel fly off, so it can't be that bad (hopefully)!
Just because you haven't had a problem doesn't mean you won't. Why guess? 100 ft lbs is the spec.
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Torque wrenches are a good thing. They go out of calibration and at different temperatures, let's just say they are not always repetitive. In a controlled environment... fine. THEY WORK WELL.

I was on the race track in the days when impact wrenches were not in everyone's tool kits, and neither were the compressors. Changed thousands of wheels. You know when you hit it right. And you also check 'em again before you go out for the next heat. Some guys have the knack and can tell when they hit it. Some guys I know were dead on when they were checked.

I don't know how guys did it back then, but I have seen some tune a carbuerator and a distributor by feel. Not because we did not have the tools, but there was not time.

With that said... re-torque the wheel. Long before 50 miles has passed.
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