If your referring to me, I can also find a way to stick it up your ..., as well. Your mother was right, you didn't learn much in school because your reading comprehension shows it. Go back and re-read and then maybe you'll understand whats going on. But I guess your right about two members. Ryan L and Yourself now..

 

Absolutely, pound for pound an electric motor is incredibly powerful with very high torque and able to spin at incredible rpms. Look at diesel electric locomotives if you have a doubt.

The key is the power source, as a long lasting lightweight battery or even an efficient fuel cell/solar array could theoretically provide an incredible driving experience. Add regenerative braking to the car and you'll make energy every time you hit the brakes with very little drive train wear.

I love gasoline but imagine our Z06's only with this technology under the hood! Ed Begley isn't my hero, Zora Arkus-Duntov and Carroll Shelby are!!!

 

None; however, there are a ton of parts out there for these cars and a couple of conversions to motorcycle engines. All of which defeat the original design purpose of a safe high mpg car. I'll keep the Z06 for mods.

 

Number 1, dude you're feckin' crazy. I ain't gonna be riding a bike any ******' where. I used to love riding a bike, and I'm pretty well fit and in shape, but like I said, a bike ain't transportation, a bike is leisure.

somewhere in the future, we will be driving cars with massive neck supports on the seats to keep us from snapping our necks when we accelerate with insane g's due to electric motors. When that time comes, I'll be ready. It will probably be a better 'performance' time than we are in now, with gasoline engines, but it will be different.

Hopefully we won't be sentenced to driving slow crap cars until that time comes.

Environmental extremism is the greatest threat to our freedom and liberties today.

 

 

Work out of the house, then. Sit at your desk and eat your ding dongs and ho-hos (both of which are unfriendly to the environment) and fill out your spreadsheets with CF on the neighboring window. Then for lunch, go out and rip it up in your Vette. Simple! Ever been to NYC? They are free, right? One fatass in 10,000 in NYC. No one owns cars. They walk to work and everywhere else. Being fit is a side effect of their lives. Being fat is a side effect of our lives in the south. It doesn't mean you have to sell your cars.

I don't think anything mentioned here is extreme at all. Riding a bike is extreme? Living something closer than an hour from work is extreme?

Like most Americans, your sense of freedom is perverted. No one is suggesting law be passed regarding these things. What is being suggested that people like you be educated (which you clearly are not) regarding your impact on the world around you.

I think Al Gore is an idiot. I do not think humans have a measurable impact on global warming. I do subscribe to the longer timeline of events and the current natural ending of the ice age we are still in.

That's not the environment I am worried about. It has more to do with my lungs, economic independence (personal and national), local air quality, etc. I get pissed off when people overuse their brakes because I have to reaccelerate! Education. People need to learn to drive with momentum instead of using their brake and throttle like two hammers. What happened to grace and finesse?

I get pissed off when the USPS, FedEx, or UPS service comes to my house, finds I am not there, and takes my package to the depot so I can come get it. Does that really make any sense from an economic, fuel usage, efficiency standpoint? Hell no. Things like that should be changed.

That is the behavior change I am talking about. It's just a state of mind. Not a mandatory, freedom stripping, government standard. If you read my first post you will find that is exactly what I do not want in my life. Open your mind and stop being the gluttonous, selfish American we all love to hate (and hate to love) but we all do anyways because we are riding the same ship.

 

However we do not need to wait for battery tech. to get here first..........for now (as I've stated before in other sections of the forum) we could be using small turbine generators to supply us with all the electric power we need. For starters a turbine engine could run on what ever fuel we wish to use.....if it burns we can use it.......second getting away from DC voltage and using AC current instead will drasticaly reduce the size of the motors powering the vehicle, and by using 400 or even 1000 cycle energy instead of the good old 60 cycle we use in our homes we can further reduce the size and weight of the motors due to less core iron needed in it's construction.
This tech. is here now.......and the more mainstream it becomes the more research $$ that will be used to get things even smaller the same way cell phone tech. has done.
All this could be being done without the need for the "government" to step in with their political hocus pocus that never amounts to anything more than additional costs being passed down to the consumer.
Government is not "in control" of this situation anyway......Big Business is............and until the tail stops wagging the dog we will remain as chattle property doing exactly what the T.V. tells us to do.

 

DUde, yes I have been to NYC, and believe me, not all cities are structured the same way, which is very condusive to walking.

Ding dongs and ho hos destructive to the environment?



Why stop there? Just admit it, humans are detrimental to the environment. We should all perish in favor of the environment. :tinfoilhat:

 

I just said I do not believe humans are causing global warming. I said humans make it hard to breathe while jogging. READ!



And I know our cities in the south are spread out. I didn't say sell your car. I didn't say walk everywhere. Sheesh you have a closed mind!

You're not listening, DUDE.

 

That's what I'm getting at--Suburbia is the way it is because of poor planning. If you go to Europe you will see that they use mopeds & bikes everywhere except the farm country.

If Gov't regulated vehicle size and mandated that certain local roads were open to bikes during certain hours, you could see reduced gas burning.

I don't see why I should have to get in a car to go 1.5 miles to the supermarket or to the mall but I do because there are no sidewalks to get there and traffic at 50mph will run me down if I tried to bike it .

 

Don't jog next to the road dude.

...says YOU. I do my 1.5+ miles of walking while working, and when I'm done, I don't wanna be walking to the store for food.:

If Europe is so good, why did we flee to the 'new world' in the first place?

Suburbia isn't messed up, I kinda enjoy it. I sure as hell don't wanna be riding a fuggin moped around. It gets down to the teens in the winter and the 100's in the summer. I'll take my air conditioned crew cab, thank you.

 

Right, because the invisible barrier next to the road prevents exhaust from going anywhere else. Because roads never go next to the locations cars take people. Yes, that makes a lot of sense.

You go to the store in a crew cab? Hopefully you are always toting along a crew, right? Like the moms that need Suburbans for 2 kids. 99% of their driving is without kids and their accoutremant.

 

Like its been stated before its not necessarily a mpg issue or who drives what, its a total lifestyle issue. People need to stop pointing the finger and saying I'm not doing that or I'm not changing. That's not really helping the arugument for or against change. In the end you have the choice but we all should take 5 minutes and at least think about it.

The majority of what we purchase and use everyday in some way uses a petroleum product. DVD's, plasma's, shopping bags, etc.....If everyone cut down a little bit it in any area of there life it would have a large impact across a larger scale. Only time will tell with what cars we will be driving in 20 years. Should we explore alternate fuels and transportation...why not? We'd be damn fools not too. That would be like stopping cancer research

All I know is that its pretty scary that they give you weather warnings on oxygen conditions and pollution levels on the weather channel. Or tell you not to drive with your windows down on the turnpike here in Jersey during the summer. Govt Agenda or not, it is your health and your kids health.

Some of my family lives overseas in the Netherlands and its pretty crazy to see thousands of people commuting on bikes and mopeds but its cheap and it works I guess. They all have cars for longer trips or rainy days, but majority of the time, they bike,walk, train it and so forth. Whats the worse that happens....excercise,save gas, save money, meet a cute chick ...seems like it might be worth a shot once in a while.

 

Check this out......more on the new fuel economy standards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22340556/from/ET/

 

A Begleymobile....powered by manure!

That guy's such a schmuck.

 

Ever sit in Rome traffic?

I don't think it's the bikes & mopeds belching diesel and gas clouds, casting a grey cloud as thick as L.A.!

 

thats true... they have a hydrogen car that topped out at 209mph. its a ford though

 

I am going to record on a CD my Z06 running through the gears at full throttle for posterity. In 500 years they will understand that we truely lived in the golden age of human civilization!

"I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red barchetta, from a better, vanished time
I fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime...

Wind in my hair ---
Shifting and drifting ---
Mechanical music ---
Adrenalin surge ---..."

Geddy Lee/RUSH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrw81G0Z5u0

 

I think we need to be realistic. I can see bikes, mopeds and even walking in metro type areas.(which happens anyways) But the majority doesnt live in town and most people (i know in my area its this way) have a 30minute ride to work. As for trains... Lets look at scheduling, price of a monthly or quartly pass.. Which is pretty damn pricey in my area. So unless you have alot of money and want to spend more time away from your family and more time away from home i dont see that as an option. I dont see any problems looking into other forms of energy and Im all for helping the enviroment, the govt should let the private sector handle its own issues and work things out like its been proven to do. If the govt wishes to change the enviroment maybe it should explore other ways to filter smog and break down trash, and study new energy sources. They have alot of things to worry about, one of them shouldnt be the mpg of my new car

 

Here it is, the truth finally comes out. You have a problem with people being comfortable.
This shows that you don't know what the **** you are talking about. My mother drove around four boys in a cutlass station wagon, and if she could've afforded a Suburban, maybe she would've had one. Four boys or two, it doesn't fuggin make a difference. We were uncomfortably packed into that little (relatively speaking, because there were two adults and four children) car. The vast majority of people with big cars, utilize them. If they need the 'big' once a week, it makes more sense for some people to have the 'big' all the time, than to have multiple vehicles. I have multiple vehicles because I enjoy them, and don't mind paying insurance and tags on all of them. Some people would rather not.

It's about comfort and ease of living. No my crew cab doesn't tote around a crew during the week days that I go to work, unless it's to take us all out for lunch, or training off site, or pick up a load of **** from the hardware store (which happens very frequently). On the weekends I tote around my family unit of 3, which it seats very comfortably. When I'm the only occupant, it seats me more comfortably than either my Cadillac or my Corvette. And it has room for my food cooler, and my "accoutrements", of which I use daily.

If your ******y a$$ wants to push a small car onto my lifestyle, that's where our horns will meet, and I guarantee you, you ain't got enough a$$ to push your lifestyle standards onto me.

Myself, I'm 6'8" 240 lbs, and each of my brothers and father are well over 6' and 200 lbs, and I work with guys ranging from 200-280lbs. This is who rides in my vehicles, my 'crew cab'. Ever seen four big guys squeeze into a sedan? Well you won't when I'm around, because I have 'crew cab' standards, and as long as I can maintain them, I'll be transporting myself and people in my inner circle in comfort. Maybe your world is surrounded by small waif-ish people, but mine ain't, so get lost, and push your on someone else.