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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 07:49 PM
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anyone use one heard of them but have no idea on whether they are legal or not and if any good.
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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read the info on this site www.radarbusters.com

They have some interesting stuff.
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Uh, I think he's talking about laser, not radar. Laser jammers can be VERY effective, although they are illegal in some states. I have a Laser Echo from Lidatek. Escort makes one and K40, I believe. Car & Driver once found that by leaving on the highbeams, many cars can confuse the laser receiver. However, that is not practical and could get you pulled over.

I used to have the Lidatek installed in my 68. It jams the signal while alarming and then turns off for your protection. (continuously jamming the laser receiver is sure to invite suspicion.)

By the way, I bought my 68 vert from a guy in Naugatuck in 1979, I think his name is Ron Prunicki. Maybe you'll run into him someday, although I hope not - he's a detective, from what I recall.
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 10:14 PM
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I'm a police officer in Florida, so, I deal with this stuff on a regular basis. The laser diffusers are effective, however, here lies the problem with them. The new lasers that are used by the police are now equipped with laser jammer detectors. So, when a police officer locks the laser on your car, if your car is equipped with a laser jammer it will tell us that we have been jammed. Here in Florida that is a traffic misdemeanor, which could result in arrest, fines, and getting your pretty vette towed away on a flat bed truck. Check your local laws before installing one.
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave68
Uh, I think he's talking about laser, not radar. Laser jammers can be VERY effective, although they are illegal in some states. I have a Laser Echo from Lidatek. Escort makes one and K40, I believe. Car & Driver once found that by leaving on the highbeams, many cars can confuse the laser receiver. However, that is not practical and could get you pulled over.

I used to have the Lidatek installed in my 68. It jams the signal while alarming and then turns off for your protection. (continuously jamming the laser receiver is sure to invite suspicion.)

By the way, I bought my 68 vert from a guy in Naugatuck in 1979, I think his name is Ron Prunicki. Maybe you'll run into him someday, although I hope not - he's a detective, from what I recall.

Dave,
They (radarbusters) cover all kind of jammers,Radar,laser,photo you name it.
Have a good one
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepthalim
So, when a police officer locks the laser on your car, if your car is equipped with a laser jammer it will tell us that we have been jammed.
So now they have to make a laser jammer detector jammer.

There's a funny video that I cant post, due to the guy in it cussing, that you can find if you were to search for "radar detector corvette" on youtube. "They actually had a detector detector that detected my detector."
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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fireman591
Dave,
They (radarbusters) cover all kind of jammers,Radar,laser,photo you name it.
Have a good one
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Yes, I know; the second post referred to radar and it is to that post I was responding. Apparently, that post was deleted.

Years ago, there was an effective radar jammer that was sold. It didn't really "jam", though, it made the radar receiver show 55 MPH (if at highway speeds). Conceivably, something similar in laser technology could produce a reflective light wave that would make the receiver show a lower speed.

Unless you were traveling at double the speed limit, the police officer would be less likely to pull you over.

Is that correct, Nepthalim?
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First, Carnut, I have seen that comedy bit and it is really funny... Dave, they may have some sort of radar device that would show the officer a certain reading, I'm just not aware of it. You could still see blue lights in your rear view mirror, and here is how. I know that this is going to open up to a huge debate, but here we go....When an officer is monitoring traffic for vettes blowing by at Mach speeds there are certain criteria that must be met by the officer before the traffic stop can be conducted. The most important, is the officer qualified to run radar/laser? The officer must make a visual estimation on the vehicles speed before the radar/laser is activated, remember, the radar/laser is only used to confirm the officer's visual speed estimation. So, with that being said, an officer, with the proper training and qualifications, could write a speed citation without a radar/laser present, yes, I have seen this in court and the officer win the case. So, in the event that an officer visual estimates your vehicle speed to be 75mph and the radar/laser is only showing 55mph, that is still enough probable cause to conduct a traffic stop - BASED UPON the officer visual estimation, he/she would know that something is not right with your vehicle. Does that help or not?
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I have the lidatek jammers on almost everything I own. I live in CT as well and travel through NY NJ etc. I have a light on the dash (looks like an alarm) I have a switch that when it goes off I can shut the jammers off. They work really well! I heard lidetek went under but someone else now owns them. (not sure who took them over). Not legal here in CT but I will take my chances.......(sixty4).
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Originally Posted by Nepthalim
I'm a police officer in Florida, so, I deal with this stuff on a regular basis. The laser diffusers are effective, however, here lies the problem with them. The new lasers that are used by the police are now equipped with laser jammer detectors. So, when a police officer locks the laser on your car, if your car is equipped with a laser jammer it will tell us that we have been jammed. Here in Florida that is a traffic misdemeanor, which could result in arrest, fines, and getting your pretty vette towed away on a flat bed truck. Check your local laws before installing one.
I think I would rather take a chance with a fine or even a one time tow then a speeding ticket with high fines and points plus 39 months of higher insurance rates.
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LOL...And that's what keeps me in business....
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Nepthalim,

In case i ever get pulled over in the tampa bay area i know have a name to throw around to get me out of a ticket

Another officer that i train in the gym actual did confirm what you mentioned about the visual estimate, keep up the good work and be safe
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What if the officers equipment said he was being jammed but there was no indication of jamming equipment in the vehicle? What would happen then?
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I have K-40 systems in all my cars, they work like a charm. They are not jammers but diffusers. I have a bunch of buddies that are LEO's and have told me the same.

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Originally Posted by Nepthalim
I'm a police officer in Florida, so, I deal with this stuff on a regular basis. The laser diffusers are effective, however, here lies the problem with them. The new lasers that are used by the police are now equipped with laser jammer detectors. So, when a police officer locks the laser on your car, if your car is equipped with a laser jammer it will tell us that we have been jammed. Here in Florida that is a traffic misdemeanor, which could result in arrest, fines, and getting your pretty vette towed away on a flat bed truck. Check your local laws before installing one.
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First, Carnut, I have seen that comedy bit and it is really funny... Dave, they may have some sort of radar device that would show the officer a certain reading, I'm just not aware of it. You could still see blue lights in your rear view mirror, and here is how. I know that this is going to open up to a huge debate, but here we go....When an officer is monitoring traffic for vettes blowing by at Mach speeds there are certain criteria that must be met by the officer before the traffic stop can be conducted. The most important, is the officer qualified to run radar/laser? The officer must make a visual estimation on the vehicles speed before the radar/laser is activated, remember, the radar/laser is only used to confirm the officer's visual speed estimation. So, with that being said, an officer, with the proper training and qualifications, could write a speed citation without a radar/laser present, yes, I have seen this in court and the officer win the case. So, in the event that an officer visual estimates your vehicle speed to be 75mph and the radar/laser is only showing 55mph, that is still enough probable cause to conduct a traffic stop - BASED UPON the officer visual estimation, he/she would know that something is not right with your vehicle. Does that help or not?

Okay, I can see an "estimation" winning in court only if the defendant doesn't have a good lawyer. Consider the defendant's lawyer asking the police officer. "So your laser gun read 55 and yet you estimated a higher speed.....wouldn't this mean that a person with a noticeable exhaust sound and lower gearing could potentially "sway" your estimation of speed?"

....you see what I'm getting at - a good lawyer can potentially have a field day in court with "estimations", especially if the officer's speed gun reads a legal speed. I know that people have been let off the hook after an officer uses radar when there are other (larger) vehicles nearby.
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Actually, the estimation is what gives the probable cause for the stop, remember the gun only confirms the speed. I have went up against "good lawyers," if there are any... When lawyers start up with there estimation then I quickly remind them that officers are trained in vehicle speed estimation and tested by a state authorized trainer. In the test, if any of your estimations are more than 2mph off, you fail. We are trained in vehicle speed, exhaust notes and gearing have nothing to do with the speed estimation. If a vehicle is traveling at 55mph it is doing so regardless how loud or quiet the exhaust is or what gearing ratio you are running. Combine that with the 700 entries or more of certified vehicle estimations that I have in a log, all within 2mph most are dead on the money and I will turn that field day right back around on the lawyer. Now, the larger vehicle theory is true, only with radar, but here again that is where your vehicle estimation comes into play.

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