Alex you really want me to send you a pic of my "azz dyno"?
I don't dyno my car. Don't need to. Numbers don't mean anything unless you track your ride. Or for those that just want to brag about all their power. That's usually followed by the sound of crunching metal as they throw it into the curb, guardrail or worse.

 

Yup.. picked up a used set. They look good on the car plus a deeper more mellow sound at WOT. Increase in performance? Who knows I just know it was the right mod for me.

 

If the op simply wants to get rid of the rust, he can spray paint them with some high temp paint or have them wrapped for less than 235.

The point alex is making is significant...especially since the h-pipe, catback, and cats are probably rusty too.

Op, look for a set of used LG long tube Street headers. They sell for $900 bucks new. You should be able to find a set for maybe 700. Much better money spent. Why buy a sports car at all if you're not going to do stuff like this?

ALEX! NO FREE THINKING! Ljthe2nd is trying to sell stuff he obviously found to be useless!

 

I have run both, you will get 10 easy across the board HP and TQ with the shorties. Good bang for the buck. They were my first mod and I was pleased. When I went to H/C bought Texas Speed Lt and sold the shorties for exactly what I paid for them. 250.00 shipped

25.00 per HP is a good deal. Add in a vararam, ported TB and LS6 intake and you have a nice little budget mod party happening for under a grand.

 

Wrong, just like your logic. When I found out these wouldn't fit my car without chopping the H pipe and the AIR tubes I went out and bought the correct shorties for my car and I'm happy with my choice.

Not everyone want's long tube headers. shorties will give you a gain in performance, (usually 6-10 rwhp) not as much as long tubes but they cost a lot less.

There are numerous reason why a person would choose shorties over LT's. Why can't the members just respect the thoughts and reasoning of other members instead of trying to force their own thoughts and view upon them.

 

not trying to start a fight but why does everyone have to pizz all over shorty header threads here??

1. first, the majority of car (even sports car) owners do not modify their rides. second, he does want to mod his ride...he just wants to use different parts than you think he should. send him the $700 for used LT's and pay to have them installed and I be the OP will happily mod his car the way you think he should.

2. and if your read the post, you'd know that Ljthe2nd is selling his parts because they don't fit his car...but I guess you'd have to r e a d the post to get that.
sorry, end rant

OP get what you want!!! buy those used headers cheap and enjoy your budget mod

 

Using your self-evident / superior logic, aren't you, yourself, forcing your thoughts about why he should buy your headers?

Perhaps the op was told LT's would cost him 2 grand installed and that's why he's shying away from LT's. But that's simply not true when he could pick up a used quality set for half the price. There's nothing wrong with exposing people to new ideas and rethinking their approach. I respect his decision, and if the guy wants shorties then he wants shorties...but reconsidering things and learning more information about what's out there is key. Had you done the same you might not have 2 sets of headers.

MMMnot sure where you get off claiming things about 'the majority' but since there's no data to back up your claim lets toss that out, especially since we've already established he does want to mod his car. Send him money? That's silly. Send me money to prove your point.

I read what he wrote. Did you read what I wrote? If he found them to be usefull they'd be installed. You see, you have to "R E A D" to get that I was saying he's offering them because they're lying around collecting dust. I didn't say they didn't work.

I just don't see the point in buying shorties. If all he wants to do is remove the rust then why not buy a wire brush and some high temp paint? I'm dreadfully sorry to impose my views on a DISCUSSION FORUM, shame on me. But then again, shame on you if you let someone, OVER THE INTERNET, dictate to you what you're going to buy.

 

When I had my C4 I read a post in the C4 Tech section dealing with the same issue. A guy there actually did a dyno comparison between shorties and long tubes on the same car on the same day. Of course the long tubes made more PEAK power but the shorties made what I considered impressive gains under the curve, especially the torque numbers. Though I prefer long tubes for the extra performance I wouldn't say shorties are a waste of money on a mildly modified street car. JMHO

 

wow...just wow

 

Ya I agree, kinda gives credence to the old proverb "better let a man think you are foolish than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

 

Can't we just agree that.......

1) investment *......................shorties < long tubes
2) performance ......................shorties < long tubes
3) legality**...........................sho rties > long tubes
4) appearance***...................shorties = long tubes


* Generally speaking,especially when considering used prices
** B+B's are carb certified,some brands may not be,but NO lt's are
*** Viewed from above the engine compartment

This bickering is unnecessary

 

I am interested in shorties as well.

I used to own a Subaru, and their special exhaust sounds came from unequal length headers. I am wondering a few things:
1) Are the stock headers equal length?
2) What kind of sound can be expected from an unequal vs. equal length header design on our cars?
3) Which headers are equal or unequal length? Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems BBK and JBA are unequal length. B&Bs are equal.

Final question: which of the headers last the longest?

 

 

"Fool me once but ya can't get fooled again!"

 

Ok here's the deal. I'm well aware that long tube headers would be a better choice for performance and that I could upgrade the entire exhaust system to get more out of the car. The problem is that I've owned alot of sports cars in my life and spent alot of money modifying everything under the sun, at the age I'm at now the extra little bit of horsepower doesn't mean anything to me. Yes I could take the current manifold off and paint it, but the looks of the factory manifold compared to shorty headers is a no brainer in my book. The rest of the exhaust has a little rust at the flange but overall it's in excellent shape, and will eventually be replaced with stock componants anyway. I'm just looking to clean up the looks of the engine a little more and do a little tinkering here and there. The car also has to pass the smog test here in Texas, and I don't have the patience or desire to start fighting that issue.

 

Find some shorties used and bolt em up, done for cheap.

 

Not sure why everyone takes a suggestion so angrily. I guess we are not supposed to do that here on Corvetteforums. So with that said I will just ignore all of the ignorant banter cluttering this thread.

To the OP. I understand your situation, just wanted to toss out a suggestion that you maybe had not all the way considered. That's all. Nothing needed to be argued or anything. All I am looking at is the time and effort, moreso than just the price. There's also installation and tuning. I've noticed plenty of people running LT headers and passing smog here in TX. Nothing wrong about ST headers but, just figured with the trouble of removing the stock ones, installing aftermarket ones and a tune, why not do the little extra. Take care and good luck.

-Alex

 

You're the one who bought those I couldn't remember who.

The only reason I sold them was because I didn't feel like putting them in. They are a good header for the price. It all depends on what you want. Not all owners want long tubes. The Pacesetters are carb certified also and that's another benefit.

I'm installing long tubes I bought, but only for an exhaust I have coming out. I figured why not make it a business expense and go all out.

There is nothing wrong with shorties. They look a lot better than the stock manifolds.

 

I live in a state that does not smog check, you dont even have to run cats. With laws always changing I am on the fence about getting long tubes as well. I would hate to spend the money and then have to pull them off. With my luck as it is, I would never get someone to overlook the visual check. So for now I sit with my factory manifolds wondering what to do.

 

Must be a market for shorties or they wouldnt be producing them.Back to back, on the street in a mildly modded vette,I doubt if you could feel the difference form shorties to long tubes.